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  •  Remind me the last time the US changed borders. (1+ / 0-)
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    "internationally recognized borders" (which get ignored regularly if the US wants to bomb or invade someone, or initiate a "regime change").
    Citation omitted.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 11:58:05 AM PDT

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    •  Technically the last time the US changed borders (1+ / 0-)
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      was in 1999 when President Clinton honored the deal struck with Panama in 1977 to turn the canal over to them.  Prior to that it had been US territory.  Arguments from a lot of people on the left that the 1989 invasion was all about preventing the transfer of the canal, turned out to be so much hokum.

      The Stars and Bars and the red swastika banner are both offerings to the same barbaric god.

      by amyzex on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 12:09:35 PM PDT

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    •  That would have been when we admitted Hawaii (0+ / 0-)

      into the union. So about 55 years ago. A territory we seized by force none the less. At least, that was the last time we gained territory. Northern Mariana Islands would be the last time we took territory by force. About 60 years ago. Much bloodier than the invasion of Crimea, although that's to be expected given it was WWII.

      We also support Israel's continued annexation of Palestinian Territory which is probably a more appropriate analogy for Crimea.

      If you want a example of ignoring internationally agreed upon borders then the most recent clear cut example would be Iraq. The other examples of that priot should be obvious.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 05:00:42 PM PDT

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      •  So, we're talking about lifetime ago. (0+ / 0-)

        Not so much "internationally recognized borders" (which get ignored regularly, then.

        And no, the Iraq invasion is not an example of changing borders. Sorry. I know you like to use "IRAQ!" as your answer to every question up to and including "Do you want fries with that," but it's particularly out of place here. Iraq has the same borders it's had since it was founded.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 06:26:48 AM PDT

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        •  Invading Iraq and other countries (0+ / 0-)

          is ignoring international borders. So, yes, we regularly ignore international borders. Just because we haven't annexed anything for a while doesn't mean we aren't ignoring international borders.

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 07:32:39 AM PDT

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          •  "Words mean exactly what I want them to mean." (0+ / 0-)

            Gotcha.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 08:48:06 AM PDT

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            •  No, words mean what they mean (0+ / 0-)

              You're the one pretending that ignoring borders means annexing places. That was not in the comment you originally replied to. Let me quote it for you.

              "internationally recognized borders" (which get ignored regularly if the US wants to bomb or invade someone, or initiate a "regime change").
              Do you understand what a border is? It denotes the area of sovereignty of a specific country. So when you chose to bomb said country you're ignoring that.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 08:53:06 AM PDT

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              •  Points, laughs. (0+ / 0-)
                You're the one pretending that ignoring borders means annexing places.
                Keep digging.

                You don't look ridiculous at all.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 09:02:47 AM PDT

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              •  Let me take you for a walk down Memory Lane. (0+ / 0-)

                "Remind me the last time the US changed borders."

                That would have been when we admitted Hawaii (0+ / 0-)
                into the union. So about 55 years ago.

                You're the one pretending that ignoring borders means annexing places.

                Look, I'll leave you two alone to work this out. Get back to me when you settle on something.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 09:05:25 AM PDT

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                •  I answered your question (0+ / 0-)

                  which was different than the comment you responded to. You responded to a comment about ignoring borders with a comments about changing border. Ignoring borders isn't just annexing places no matter how often you claim it is.

                  You should probably read the actual thread instead of just responding to the last comment. Knowing the context will help you figure out what's being discussed.

                  If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                  by AoT on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 09:17:45 AM PDT

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                  •  Yes, you did answer my question. (0+ / 0-)

                    And then, when your answer became inconvenient, you ran away from your position, invented a new one, and then accused me of making up your position.

                    A better man than you might extricate himself from this problem with the simple words "I was wrong."

                    But that's not going to happen, is it?

                    Art is the handmaid of human good.

                    by joe from Lowell on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 09:59:01 AM PDT

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    •  The US has ignored (0+ / 0-)

      (and conducted military operations across) "internationally recognized borders" in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen (I've probably missed a few) and, if you count "covert" actions, dozens of others including, but certainly not limited to Bolivia and Venezuela.

      Just this Century . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Thu Mar 27, 2014 at 07:49:53 PM PDT

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      •  What does this have to do with borders? (0+ / 0-)

        Did you not like the question, but found yourself unable to either answer accurately or leave off, so you thought you'd answer a different question?

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 06:27:46 AM PDT

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        •  What does ignoring borders have to do with borders (0+ / 0-)

          Seriously? Do you not know what a border is?

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 10:15:21 AM PDT

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