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  •  Exactly what I was going to say. (5+ / 0-)

    If our demographic advantage people would actually take the trouble to vote, things would be a lot different than they are now.  

    •  If the Democrats would actually take the trouble (3+ / 0-)
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      to fight for issues the youth vote cares about, things would be a lot different than they are now.

      •  I keep saying this (2+ / 0-)
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        no one listens.

        Is fheàrr fheuchainn na bhith san dùil

        by bull8807 on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 01:17:09 PM PDT

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      •  Obama knows this (1+ / 0-)
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        The Marti

        as illustrated by his change on immigration policy right before the 2012 election allowing people who grew up here to stay. Doing so pushed up turn out and it's a good policy.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Fri Mar 28, 2014 at 01:17:17 PM PDT

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      •  Agree and disagree (1+ / 0-)
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        Odysseus

        I think that if Democrats would better stand for progressive values a lot more people would vote for them from all the left's demographics, but I don't think that young people are holding out more for movement on their issues than anyone else is.  

        All the things that the Republican house is blocking  right now- Immigration reform and unemployment benefits and so on- should IMHO be enough motivation for people to go to the polls and vote.  Even if you vote for a third party that at least shows you have opinions that politicians might want to pay attention to.  

        •  While I appreciate your telling me (3+ / 0-)
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          which issues "should be enough" for me to go vote for Democrats, as it stands for youth in this country right now, there are things that are more pressing than immigration.

          For example, the cost of education. A generation of American citizens are emerging into the adult world mired in debt for no real good reason, and when it comes to student loan reform I hear.... Well, I don't hear much of anything about that from the Democrats.

          Not to say that immigration reform and unemployment benefits are not important issues. They are very important. But for all the whining on this site about how the youth vote doesn't come out for Democrats, I don't see Democrats doing much of anything to tackle the issues like student loan reform. It's almost as if you have to do things on issues that matter to people in order to motivate them to vote for you.

          •  easy talking point (0+ / 0-)

            The reality is complex and rarely fully articulated. What I am seeing at a small state university in one of the poorest regions in the country is not like what I hear in the national conversation. For instance, to get financial aid you have to be in school full time, finish your degree in a specified period of time and within a certain number of hours. Makes sense, right? Get finished and out into the workplace. Except people are working while they are in school and a full load crushes them. Living in a culture of extended families, it is hard to stay in school for consecutive semesters because there are sick family members and new babies and job changes. If you stay out a semester or a year, you have to start paying back your money. You can be denied aid if you have too many withdrawals from school, even if you are good standing. I don't hear conservatives yammering about excessive regulation of student aid

            •  These points are not true...I got aid from my stat (1+ / 0-)
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              school after taking 6 years to finish. Also, I didn't always go full time to get aid, and as soon as you are back in school your loans are deferred until you are out of school again. I know...I took 2 years off (4 semesters) before coming back and finishing. i don't know what school you went to but the ones I went to, a local city college and Calif state university, never gave me a problem in getting aid, deferring it, or letting me set my own time frame.

          •  I don't disagree... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...that dems don't do enough.  It's definitely on politicians to get their base enthusiastic.  My point is more that young people are less likely to vote irrespective of that stuff.  Google tells me that in 2010 21% of people 18-25 voted against 51% of people 30 and over.  That difference is not all attributable to lack of attention to student aid reform.  If anyone is disillusioned by being screwed again and again it should be older voters who have lived through it.  

            In a larger sense there is plenty of blame to spread around.  Democrats should suck less if they want people to vote for them.  But still, you only vote once a year and unless you live in a voter suppressed district it doesn't take that long.  Voting doesn't seem like it's that much to ask even if it ends up mattering more to other people than yourself.  

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