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  •  I got nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    Claudius Bombarnac

    And even the loans from the IMF aren't going to make much of a dent in the 140 billion Ukraine owes. They are in the unfortunate position of being shit on by both sides.

    If they swung back toward Russia I imagine they could get a better deal, but that's unlikely now.

    If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

    by AoT on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 08:37:44 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think you have your number straight./ (0+ / 0-)

      There is no existence without doubt.

      by Mark Lippman on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 09:03:34 AM PDT

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      •  140M is the aggregate external debt (1+ / 0-)
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        Not just the government debt. National debt is around 40 billion. Either way, the IMF isn't going to fix the problem, just impose austerity and make it worse.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 09:07:01 AM PDT

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        •  You have no idea what's in that number. Sheesh./ (0+ / 0-)

          There is no existence without doubt.

          by Mark Lippman on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 09:40:12 AM PDT

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          •  Neither do you. (0+ / 0-)

            Nor do you have any relevant numbers available.

            But in every article I've seen that is the relevant information given when they're talking about Ukraine's debt. So that's what I went with.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 09:45:03 AM PDT

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            •  Who knew the liberals and progressives here would (1+ / 0-)
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              have a hostile reaction to a diary about a foreign leader speaking up against income inequality?  HA!

              There is no existence without doubt.

              by Mark Lippman on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 10:07:14 AM PDT

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              •  I'm not hostile to the diary (4+ / 0-)

                I'm just noting that the IMF is going to fuck over Ukraine and this tax plan isn't going to happen. I'd love it if it did, but the chances are zero that it will.

                If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

                by AoT on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 10:08:23 AM PDT

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              •  who knew (0+ / 0-)

                the guardians of the counter narrative would be so desperate?

              •  Don't let it get to you. (1+ / 0-)
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                Quite a few people here aren't progressives/liberals, but belong to some kind of semi-authoritarian old left that isn't exactly progressive and sometimes even seems reactionary.  And some of them rag on the msm while their news sources are fringe "news" sites or even news/propaganda outlets openly financed by dictatorial regimes like Russia.

                DailyKos has been really good about keeping the Faux News addicts out, but those who are addicted to other versions of Faux News, like Russia Today... not so much.

                "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

                by Lawrence on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 12:13:36 PM PDT

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                •  So, what's your big beef with Thom Hartmann? (0+ / 0-)

                  Other than he has a show on RT?

                  And granted that RT is a propaganda machine....

                  Personally, I don't see Hartmann as a mouth piece.  I'm sure he can't criticize Russia much.

                  But I also don't see him praising Russia.

                  do you?  If so, link please :)

                  •  You mean what is my beef with him other than (0+ / 0-)

                    that he legitimizes and carries water for the propaganda channel of a quasi-fascist, totalitarian state?

                    He can't be an objective journalist on a channel like that.  RT is as bad as FauxNews, at best, and even more asinine propaganda, at worst.

                    This is Hartmann's boss:

                    Putin appoints notorious anti-gay news anchor to head Russian news agency

                    LAURA MILLS | Associated Press
                    Monday, December 9, 2013 42 Comments ↓

                    MOSCOW — President Vladimir Putin on Monday appointed a controversial news anchor to head a restructured state news agency, a move signaling the Kremlin’s intention to tighten control over the media and use it increasingly for propaganda of ultraconservative views.

                    Dmitry Kiselyov, who spent much of his weekly news program on state Rossiya television maligning homosexuality and speculating about Western-led conspiracies, was put in charge of all the resources of the former RIA Novosti, which was renamed Rossiya Segodnya (Russia Today).

                    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/...

                    "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

                    by Lawrence on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 01:01:39 PM PDT

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                    •  All corp media is propaganda. Pick your color, (0+ / 0-)

                      but I'm pretty sure independent journalism barely exists today.

                      •  That's a far too simplistic take on media. (0+ / 0-)

                        Even corporate media has widely varying levels of editorial and journalistic freedom, as does state-funded media.  

                        Russia Today is far worse than corporate media or state-funded media in democratic nations, though, as it is a thinly but cleverly veiled propaganda arm of a state that has slipped into quasi-fascism.  Faux News is the only major U.S. media outlet that is even close to being as propagandistic as Russia Today.  And you'd probably have to go back to the period of the run-up to the Iraq War to show true equivalency with the current Russia Today.

                        If you don't see a problem with a progressive being on a channel like that, without anyone even having to point it out to you, then I can't help it.

                        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

                        by Lawrence on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 01:18:41 PM PDT

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      •  Did you factor in debt of state owned corporations (0+ / 0-)
        •  That's the genius of the plan (4+ / 0-)
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          The amount of IMF funding is carefully titrated to service in priority debt servicing of foreign loans (principally Russia), but not enough to sustain the state owned enterprises, forcing  the divestment of nationally held assets in discount privatization fire sales, and that debt associated with state owned enterprises goes with the sales to existing oligarchs, Foreign corporations and some brand new Oligarchs!

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