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  •  It's the hypocrisy. (3+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, mickT, unfangus

    If the President is serious about human rights, then he needs to call it both ways. But since he is not, he shows that he is more concerned about bolstering US-Saudi ties. That's his choice.

    "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

    by Eternal Hope on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 07:52:49 PM PDT

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    •  But aren't you being hypocritical? (2+ / 0-)
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      You don't want to get the US to get involved in Syria because it's not our fight, but you do want the President to be involved with the Saudi King's daughters because.....why?

      Cynicism is what passes for insight among the mediocre.

      by Sky Net on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 08:05:57 PM PDT

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    •  When Saudi Arabia starts killing its own people... (5+ / 0-) large numbers, then we'll have some hypocrisy on our hands.  

      It's not the side effects of the cocaine/I'm thinking that it must be love

      by Rich in PA on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 08:27:23 PM PDT

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      •  Arming al-Qaeda (3+ / 0-)
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        is of course 100% hypocrisy-free, given the personal liberties American citizens are being expected to surrender for an indefinite future because of al-Qaeda.

        These are, of course, the "good al-Qaeda", with the 100% Ayman al-Zawahiri Seal of Approval, the al-Nusra Front and the Ansar al-Sham faction of the Islamic Front.  

        They'll try to distract you by waving the flag of the Free Syrian Army in your face, but tell me this:  name a city, a district, where the FSA is in charge?  I can tell you why they were once significant and no longer are.  The Syrian Kurds implemented their pesh merga through the FSA, until they gained their autonomous status that the Assad government had no interest in contesting.  At that point the Kurds withdrew from the FSA, and the FSA ceased to play a significant role of any sort, except to maintain US/NATO weapons dumps meant for looting by al-Qaedas, both "good" and "bad".

        How to tell a "good" al-Qaeda from a "bad" al-Qaeda.  When a "good" al-Qaeda hijacks a jetliner, they just fly it into an office tower, unlike a "bad" al-Qaeda, that would behead the infidel pilot and segregate the passengers by gender first.

        Pay no attention to the upward redistribution of wealth!

        by ActivistGuy on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 08:40:26 PM PDT

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      •  I see (1+ / 0-)
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        Eternal Hope

        As long as the police state works. And there is no dissent because if you arrest anyone for any tweeting anything bad, then you are 'good state'.

        Ever been to chop chop square in Riyadh on a Friday?

      •  the Royal family (2+ / 0-)
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        has been putting down uprisings in the Eastern Province with violence for decades.

        Still, it isn't going to hold a candle to the ongoing bloodbath that is coming in Syria.  I guess that since some in the FSA have committed atrocities, the entirety of the opposition should be pretty well consigned to a violent death.

        There are no clean options, but when all is said and done, I don't think that those who stood by and advocating doing nothing will be so proud of that either. That's what "no good options" means

        •  There are plenty of things we can do. (2+ / 0-)
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          mickT, unfangus

          Take in some refugees, like we did a lot of refugees from the wars in Yugoslavia, from all sides btw. Match them with jobs that fit their skills. Work to stop the proliferation of arms to the participants of the combatants in Syria. Give more money to relief organizations. There are plenty of things we can do that don't involve escalating the conflict. But it's much easier to order air strikes or sell the latest weapons systems to keep the military industrial complex happy.

          "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

          by Eternal Hope on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 09:11:00 PM PDT

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          •  There are 9 million refugees (2+ / 0-)
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            We can't take in but a tiny number.  The Assad regime already has enough weapons to fight a major war. Stopping the flow won't affect the regime.  The ISIS and other Islamists are getting weapons from the gulf.  As in Egypt it is only the moderates are unsupported, leaving a brutal war between the dictatorship and the Islamists.   Assad will win and that will make the hundreds of death sentences the Egyptian dictatorship is handing out looks like peanuts. Indeed it will make Hama looks like a picnic because that will be replicated hundreds of times over before this is done.  Anyone who has played a role in the rebellion is a dead man walking right now.   Once the Shabiha get rolling it will be bloody for a long time coming.  

            This will be a bloodbath.   Giving money to humanitarian groups will do little. There is no reason for Assad to let them work within Syria.  No, the West will do nothing of any note to prevent this, just as it typically does nothing. Obama's effort will do little

            •  I know we can't do it all. (1+ / 0-)
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              But we should take in as many refugees as we can. If the Saudis are serious about solving Syria, then let them take them out themselves. We've given then enough hardware over the years to do it. We've supported them even more than Israel. The one thing we can't do is get involved in another quagmire like we did with Iraq or Afghanistan.

              "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

              by Eternal Hope on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 03:32:38 AM PDT

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              •  There is a giant gap (0+ / 0-)

                Between a full scale invasion and doing nothing effective militarily.  Look, for example at Libya or Mali for example.  Neither was a quagmire for the west.  

                However, we will do nothing and in three years an even more savage Assad regime will have an iron grip on power, having killed all who might protest.

      •  Or in other words... (2+ / 0-)
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        From recent reports on countries that kill its citizens..

        #1 China: Clintons buds that sell cheap stuff to Walmart
        #2 Iran: OH MY GOD. See how evil they are
        #3 Iraq: Can't be the U.S. leadership
        #4 Saudi Arabia: Shhhh.. We got arms to sell.

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