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  •  Right: the required action is the destruction of (5+ / 0-)

    the plutocracy, & people generally don't get that.  We're told we must act, but do we really know, as a large group, what to do?  Example: how long did it take 350.org to start talking about the need to attack corporate power in order to accomplish their stated goal?

    At the very least, we'd need to support the overthrow of the petroplutocrats by green plutocrats, & I don't really see that happening, although there are some signs--who's the CA billionaire putting his money into the climate issue?

    It's time to start letting sleeping dinosaurs lie, lest we join them in extinction by our consumption of them.

    by Leftcandid on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:24:32 AM PDT

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    •  99% of the people who do get it (5+ / 0-)

      cling to electoral politics as our only hope. And nothing will change that, apparently, except when each and everyone of them is personally affected by tragedy.

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

      by Words In Action on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:55:05 AM PDT

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      •  UH... I don't think that's fair; they're not all (0+ / 0-)

        Roxxers.  Electoral politics is half the equation; activism & community building is the other, & I think most people get that, even if that truth is easily forgotten in flame wars.

         

        It's time to start letting sleeping dinosaurs lie, lest we join them in extinction by our consumption of them.

        by Leftcandid on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 11:50:24 AM PDT

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    •  350.org is so passe . . . (4+ / 0-)

      I wrote some diaries a year ago about the inevitability of 450ppm in the near future (within my rather slight remaining lifetime) and got little response.  The only thing that's changed since then is that we're now slightly over 400ppm instead of slightly under.  And still rising.

      Meanwhile we've been advised to waste our energy protesting a pipeline the building (or not) of which will have no effect whatsoever on oil consumption (or tar sand production, for that matter) over the next couple decades, and to cheer Germany and Japan switching their power production back to coal, oil and now "natural" gas.

      We can't even agree to support a gasoline tax to encourage more efficient cars. Here, where we supposedly care about "global warming".

      Ps.  I oppose KXL, but for political reasons, not because I imagine it will have any effect on world climate.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:09:22 AM PDT

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      •  If one really thinks about it, as you & I have, (0+ / 0-)

        there's that realization that we can't change whatever results occur.  That's ultimately not what matters, because we always have to adapt to actual reality, for good or ill.

        BUT, we still have the obligation to speak & act based on what we know & what we see coming.  As you hint, KXL's ultimate climate impact is in that way less significant than the desperate need to prove that a committed group of activists can stop a bad project that will certainly have a damaging impact across the enviromental/ecological spectrum.  In that way, 350.org is certainly not passe, because they are doing the work anyway.  The effort must always be made, or we will forget how, drowning in our own cynicism.

        It's time to start letting sleeping dinosaurs lie, lest we join them in extinction by our consumption of them.

        by Leftcandid on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 11:47:39 AM PDT

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