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  •  There's even one or two old-timers who are still (7+ / 0-)

    pro-charter, pro-testing, and anti-union -- "For the children!"

    Not to mention, "We can't fix poverty - so let's do what is possible!"

    And other nauseating variations. Luckily, they haven't been terribly vocal lately.

    •  What's the alternative (5+ / 0-)

      With no testing there is no way to tell if anything you are doing is working or not working. If students don't show improvement on a third party metric, in what way can you demonstrate that anything has been done at all?

      As far as pro-charter / anti-union, most people just want the best educational bang for their buck. If that's unionized teachers, fine. If it's charter schools, that's fine too. If it's students sitting in front of computers / YouTube learn best, then we'll do that.

      Whatever the data suggests is best is the solution I'll go with.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:07:59 PM PDT

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      •  NAEP tests already tell us (2+ / 0-)
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        what we need to know, for a fraction of the cost

        All this NCLB testing wastes Billions of dollars a year, and accomplishes nothing, except distracting from the truth

        my kid has had plenty of teachers who taught in 'failing' schools, and now teach in 'great schools'.

        most teachers are fine; but in inner city schools we need more and we need them in earliest grades

        all this NCLB-bull crap is made up to distract attention from that simple fact

      •  Speak of the devil, and he doth appear... (4+ / 0-)

        Sorry, but your assumption seems to be that the current spate of standardized testing is actually accomplishing something useful.

        Just by accepting and promoting that assumption, you've told us everything you have to offer.

        I won't even go into the rest of your issues.

      •  Until your side (0+ / 0-)

        starts focusing attention on ossified school administration protocols, systems and infrastructure I will continue to regard your thirst for reform as a cynical attempt to carve out a gated educational community by diverting needed public money where it's less needed.

      •  You're the alternative (0+ / 0-)

        What is the evidence you have of your education? Is there a "third party metric" you produce to prove it? You seem to have great confidence in something -- third party metrics -- that have little to no research base that they indeed show what you insist they do.

        And as for your confidence that "whatever works" is the only standard that counts, you seem to be completely oblivious to the disagreements people have over "what works" looks like and the general lack of evidence there is that charters and non-unionized teachers produce something that people can confidently say "works."

        You want easy answers based on "whatever the data says" when "the data" is the very thing that is in question in the debate.

    •  The new trend in ALEC states is public school (3+ / 0-)

      money for "tuition scholarships" for kids to attend parochial schools .

      It is ridiculous to pretend that firing teachers based on student test scores, starting charter schools, giving out vouchers or implementing merit pay will overcome the challenges facing a child living in poverty. -Jersey Jazzman

      by Desert Rose on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:17:33 PM PDT

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