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    •  Cuomo is not a Democrat (29+ / 0-)

      He calls himself a Democrat, but his economic policy is right out of the Scott Walker/Paul Ryan playbook. Life long Democrats understand this. As a New Yorker, I will be voting straight D, except, of course, for Cuomo.

      •  He is no different from the NY Senate Republicans (10+ / 0-)

        who, it should be noted, are mostly NOT from the tea-bag wing of the Republican Party. Hell, half of them got elected with labor support.

        Any labor activists care to defend this?

        •  To address this: (4+ / 0-)
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          Any labor activists care to defend this?
          Labor only tends to support Republicans in districts where the Republican is the only viable candidate - IE:  districts that lean heavily Republican.

          It is in large part that support from labor that keeps these guys from being "from the tea-bag wing" of the Republican party.

          Labors relative strength in New York is one of the things that keep the Republicans in the state (relatively) sane compared to the wingnuttery of Republicans in other states.  When you get a candidate that doesn't feel they need labors help in NY, you end up with a Carl Paladino - who definitely was in the "tea-bag wing."

          However, there simply are areas of that state that will always vote Republican, no matter what, and labor has come to terms with that.  Rural areas of upstate and much of Long Island will simply never vote blue in state elections.  This, somehow, is what always keeps Republicans within at least striking distance of control of the state Senate - largely due to gerrymandering.

          Basically, New York politics makes strange bedfellows.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:10:32 PM PDT

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          •  Wow. Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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            Coming from one of those Republican upstate areas where I spend every single godamned  day working to make it a little more purple, you are part of the problem. My county voted for Hillary for Senator, Schumer, Gillibrand, Cuomo, and Kathy Hochul. But we can't get anywhere at the local level because we're told by labor and the state party (by their actions, not directly) that we can never win. So we can't raise enough money to get on the radar.

            Of course, I am bitterly disappointed by the campaign finance fiasco. It's the closest thing to a magic bullet for us that could ever happen. But it seems we are getting shafted by supposed allies all over the place.

            •  Two things (0+ / 0-)

              1. I don't generally agree with the strategy.  I was explaining it to the O/P.  So fuck you and the high horse you rode in on that "I'm the problem."  I'm from the Adks.  I know what it's like in rural upstate.  It's like Appalachia - you ain't changing that, so find someone else to blame for living in wingnut territory.  There's a reason I sought out civilization and only go home to visit on rare occasions.

              2.  Like it or not, agree with it or not, it is a pragmatic approach that has largely kept you represented by more sane Republicans and not total wingnut Teabaggers.  Unless you're represented by a wingnut assclown like Greg Ball.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 08:54:06 AM PDT

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              •  ADKS - love them (0+ / 0-)

                And so does Andrew. But unless you're from the North Country or Erie County, both places Andrew has decided will get his largesse, you're in trouble. And one of the biggest problems is the one-party political culture. Unless we get a viable two-party system in New York (I would argue in all parts of the state), we're going to keep getting screwed. In my area, it's because Republicans never have to worry about us, because our region always votes for them. Democrats never worry about us, because our region never votes for them. Thus, the decline that has been going on for generations, and the unions aren't helping.

            •  You are so right. "Labor" has lost us races too. (0+ / 0-)

              Just like the false Democrats in the Senate who grabbed a little power by voting for Skelos, defying the voters who elected a majority DEMOCRATIC NY Senate. AND, no doubt about it, with Andrew's approval. He likes this arrangement.

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 07:35:48 PM PDT

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          •  You are utterly, completely wrong (1+ / 0-)
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            Look at the list of endorsees:

            http://nysaflcio.org/...

            and compare to the map here:

            http://www.dailykos.com/...

            Districts 1, 6, 8, 9 51, 52, and 54 voted  for Obama in 2012. AFL-CIO endorsed Republicans nevertheless. Obama got 48.5% in District 62 and AFL-CIO endorsed a Republican. Only in District 24 (most of Staten Island) did Obama lose badly in a district where the AFL-CIO endorsed a Republican.

            That is 8 districts that could be D but the AFL-CIO helped the wrong side. That would give the real D's a 33 vote majority and the IDC is history.

            •  And these are precisely the kind of districts (0+ / 0-)

              we need to turn. The Rethugs successfully targeted moderate and conservative Dems from purple districts in 2010; we need to take a page out of their playbook and beat them at their own game.

      •  I'd still take Andrew Cuomo over a (5+ / 0-)

        nameless Republican.
        NY doesn't need another Republican governor either.

        Someone needs to primary Cuomo next run- someone with the chops to beat him.

        "Non-violence is a powerful and just weapon which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

        by Gentle Giant on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 01:50:54 PM PDT

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          •  He's still not a Republican (8+ / 0-)

            If he were a Republican, we'd have fracking in our watersheds. (granted, we may yet get it, but he's managed to delay it for a good while now).

            We wouldn't have gay marriage.

            We wouldn't have a state-run health exchange with stronger rules than the ACA.

            Those are some differences I can think of off the top of my head.

            Doesn't mean I agree with the rest of what he's done.

            •  We have fracking in California with a Dem. Gov. (2+ / 0-)
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              Jerry Brown is certainly better than Cuomo, but not a whole lot.

              Putting the fun back in dysfunctional.

              by hawkseye on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 03:58:03 PM PDT

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            •  Absolutely agree with Algernons (1+ / 0-)
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              In 2010, Cuomo defeated Carl Paladino, a kajillionaire TP wackadoodle who trounced all comers in the Republican primary (there aren't a heck of a lot of really good Repubs available to run for statewide office in NY, anyway). Paladino was the real-deal Tea Party man who was not supported by the mainstream Republicans. If he had won, NY would have been like the federal government, only flipped: Republicans holding the executive and the Senate, Dems holding the Assembly. But, given Cuomo's 30-point margin of victory, Paladino never had a chance.

            •  Being a Democrat (4+ / 0-)

              is more than being about socially liberal causes only just to pander for the liberal vote.

              And that's all Cuomo ever does.

              He's a Machiavellian triangulator, and that's it.  He doesn't believe in liberal ideals.  This is the guy that coined the phrase "Vote for Cuomo, not the homo!" when his father was running against Ed Koch FFS.  Do you really think he's a huge champion of the LGBT community?  Or did he just triangulate that the train was coming so he'd better get on board?

              The reason why we don't have fracking has nothing to do with Cuomo - Team Cuomo was planning on freight training it right on through.  He practically gutted the DEC in preparation to get fracking set up.

              He only stopped due to the pushback from the very vocal liberal anti-frackers, because he triangulated they would cause him negative national press.

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:06:29 PM PDT

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            •  HE didn't delay anything. He wanted fracking. His (0+ / 0-)

              people prevented Democrats from bringing a resolution against fracking to the state convention floor for debate, 3 times that I saw personally. Only determined public opposition and unified environmental activism has prevented him from getting fracking through.

              The people of NY have prevented fracking, so far. We need all New Yorkers to keep the heat on Cuomo.

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 07:43:44 PM PDT

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          •  It's the daily attack on Cuomo (4+ / 0-)

            by Kos or one of his surrogates.

            As Algernons Labyrinth & Gentle Giant point out, he's much better than the clowns the Republicans have run in the last 2 state-wide elections, including Senator.  

            To get gay marriage, good ACA coverage, modest gun control, he has had to bargain with the state GOP senators.  

            The stalling on the fracking is HUGE!  And an issue which will ruin 75% of the state waters due to geology, and the way the water circulates, between the Finger Lakes, the Erie Canal, rivers.  Not to mention most upstate cities & towns are dependent upon fresh water for municipalities and private wells (us).  Our house will become totally unsaleable if our well is contaminated.  

            And then there is the NYC water shed in the Catskills.

            The Republicans are just itching to drill, and turn us into WVa, & PA.  Markos, would you like to come up with a guarantee of buying our house & acreage when we have to get out because the water from 150' down is undrinkable?

            Three years ago a dear friend of ours was killed (mid-40's) in a construction accident which was the result of negligence on the part of a tunnel company from Texas.  The state courts cited the negligence and fault of the company which meant that Tom's wife & kids got decent benefits between a law suite and NYS Workman's Comp.  Another friend in government pointed out that states which were run by GOP govs have worked actively to weaken workplace injury laws and benefits.  

            A Republican gov in NYS would be a disaster, because all these accommodations toward fairness for victims in many areas, would be stripped away.  We are constantly bombarded with Tea Party hate in this part of the state.  The only person more hated than Cuomo, is President Obama.  

            He's not perfect, but go pick on Wisconsin, Florida, PA, Arizona, Tennessee, Ohio, Georgia, NC, SC, Kansas instead.  There's a lot worse than Cuomo on the horizon in NY and other places.

            •  Which office do you work in (0+ / 0-)

              on the 2nd Floor?

              Joe Percoco, is that you?

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:00:29 PM PDT

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              •  Callingn someone a paid shill was at one point (1+ / 0-)
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                a bannable offense.  Has this changed?

                •  Did I call him a "paid shill." (0+ / 0-)

                  Because somehow, in re-reading that post, the words "paid shill" don't even seem to appear...

                  "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                  by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:21:41 PM PDT

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                  •  You were asking if I was (0+ / 0-)

                    someone who has been a powerful enforcer, assistant, body man for A. Cuomo since his days in DC, NY State Attorney Gen'l, and now Governor.  

                    That was the point you obviously meant to make, without using the words "paid shill".  And others recognized it.

                    No, DS, SHE did not have a sex change operation on her way to anonymous posting on DK by a paid employee of the state of NY.  I'm one of the ones who helps pay the salaries of the state employees.  Since it's April now, that has been on my mind.  

              •  HA HA HA (1+ / 0-)
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                You've got part of it right, I'm on the 2nd floor presently.

                And thank you, Justanothernyer.  

                I'm such a plugged in insider that Joe Percoco, is a mystery to me. because the little people beneath my pay grade are faceless drones. And without your comment I never would have known who Joe is or where his office is.  

                When I'm in Albany, you are more likely to find me at The Egg or the State History Museum.

                Just a peon, out in the sticks, who sticks up for a honest POV & a lifetime Democrat for more than 60 years.  Which means I have some perspective on things since about 1954.  I have the battle scars from civil rights (March on Washington), anti Vietnam days to prove it. Presently on a Dem County committee in a very red place.

                •  Google him. (1+ / 0-)
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                  You're in for a treat.

                  Seriously though, your snarky comment required a snarky response.  Cuomo deserves every bit of criticism he gets IMO, because to many outside of New York, they think he represents the future of the party after Hillary.

                  And if we want to prevent that from happening...

                  "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                  by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 09:40:12 PM PDT

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                  •  On that point, Darth, I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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                    The rest of the country should NOT look to Andrew Cuomo as the future of the Democratic Party. But, imo, it won't come to that as NY will be among the first states to lead its Democratic Party back further left, leaving Andrew beyond the bend.
                    Especially upstate, where we are historically known as the Scorched Earth District for the speed at which we've implemented progressive change. Granted, we've been in a progressive drought, but the times, they are a-changin'.

                    "Non-violence is a powerful and just weapon which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

                    by Gentle Giant on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 05:52:57 AM PDT

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                    •  Scorched Earth District (1+ / 0-)
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                      was the name given to upstate NY for all the crazy religious revivals held there.  Wrappings, Joseph Smith (location of the Mormon golden tablets) , etc.

                      Pre-science literates could be understood in light of winters which have been like the one we are still in.  With no TV, computers, few books except the Bible; listening to fiery preachers was THE source of entertainment.

                      Don't forget the area also produced Susan B Anthony and the ladies of Seneca Falls, sheltered Harriet Tubman, the Quakers & the Underground Rail Road, Douglas, etc.

                      I always hope the times, they are a-changin' but it seems like people are more polarized than ever, with the rise of the Tea Party upstate.  

                      •  Not ONLY the religious revivals, (1+ / 0-)
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                        but also the other things you mention.
                        I have lived here all my life save my time in the Navy. I was born in the city of Canandaigua where Susan B. Anthony voted illegally. I have visited her and Frederick Douglass' grave sites in Rochester's Mount Hope Cemetery. Frederick Douglass' white wife was from the town of Richmond, village of Honeoye where I vote, my local taxes go and my sons attended preK - 12.
                        At one point in history, Richmond had more sheep than any other community in the United States. Hard to find any now. The farm I grew up on had been a large Iroquois settlement until General Sullivan rode through and butchered the natives in the name of keeping the world safe for white progress. That kind of scorched earth, I'm afraid, is also part of our history. As children, we'd walk through the woods beyond the pasture to the clearing full of impressions where the native grave yard had been before being cleared out by the Rochester Museum and Science Center in the 1950s. It wasn't too rare to find an arrow head. On one of my best friend's farms, there was an area where a long house had existed next to a ravine. In that ravine, we found the stone tools that had broken during their manufacture or hard use: arrow and spear heads, hide scrapers, bone pipe stems...

                        Rochester had the first Negro American newspaper in the country: The North Star, created by Frederick Douglass.
                        Preachers weren't the only ones speechifyin'. In the church I grew up in, in West Bloomfield, where my brother is now the pastor, there was found a journal from the second quarter of the 19th century. When the mule-drawn book mobile rumbled in from Rochester, it always emptied out in West Bloomfield. Book discussion groups were one of the main sources of entertainment, and at the crossroads where the old town hall still stands, citizens could stand atop a box and opine to their heart's content and did just that.
                        So even in the pre-Civil War era, that small Ontario County farming community lusted for information and enlightenment and education was a high priority. West Bloomfield had a reputation for intellectual farmers and merchants. And those I've known in the 20th and 21st centuries are no slouches, either.

                        In the Scorched Earth District, "crazy religious revivals" were more likely to be questioned and shunned as they passed through than to be taken up with passion.

                        "Non-violence is a powerful and just weapon which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it. It is a sword that heals." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

                        by Gentle Giant on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 01:18:53 PM PDT

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                  •  My snarky comment? (0+ / 0-)

                    It was YOU, DS who started the snark with your response to my post,

                    It's the daily attack on Cuomo
                    My post was deadly serious about our concern about fracking and some of the goons the Republicans have run locally and statewide.  Instead of Markos worrying about who might step into Hillary's shoes nationally, he might exhibit a little awareness and support for those of us who face a more immediate danger.  Or he has too much time on his hands in CA and so must start some pretend/maybe/imaginative trouble for the future in a state across the country, he has never been a resident of.  

                    He's the only one I see in my limited awareness, that has to occupy himself with worries & fantasies concerning Cuomo on the national level.  I and some others here, just need to let him know all the Peanut Gallery, isn't going along with his POV.  

                    I think Biden is more likely to be the 2nd choice after Hillary.

                    •  You don't think (0+ / 0-)

                      Saying "its the daily attack on Cuomo by Markos or one of his surrogates" was snarky?

                      You're deluding yourself.

                      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 04:00:18 PM PDT

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            •  He did not "stall" on fracking. Determined public (0+ / 0-)

              opposition has. This last gem, the public financing-only- for-an-opponent-to-DiNapoli really takes the cake. Or perhaps that's the icing on the S&$t cake he gave us in the Senate after we ELECTED a Democratic majority!

              He thinks New Yorkers are stupid apparently. I have lost what little respect I ever had for him.

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 07:50:00 PM PDT

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      •  Vote Working Families Party (6+ / 0-)
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        Under NY's fusion system, independent parties can cross endorse major party candidates, or run their own candidates.  WFP generally supports progressive Democrats, and sometimes uses its organization to intervene in Democratic primaries.  Beneficiaries of this strategy include Albany District Attorney David Soares, who stood up against the harsh Rockefeller drug laws, Bill DiBlasio and Letitia James in NYC.
        WFP is likely to run an independent progressive candidate for governor this year.

        There's no such thing as a free market!

        by Albanius on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 02:42:51 PM PDT

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        •  WFP statement on NYS bidget (3+ / 0-)

          ' This afternoon, Working Families Party State Director Bill Lipton released this statement in response to the 2014-2015 budget:

          ' "Today's budget enriches the 1% and Wall Street corporations. It misses a chance to put forth a progressive vision, and serves only to increase political and economic inequality. Cutting taxes for Wall Street banks by two hundred fifty million dollars, a reduction in the corporate tax rate, and changes in the estate tax will cost New Yorkers nearly a billion dollars every year.

          'We applaud Speaker Silver and leaders in Albany, however, for fighting for more education funding, expanding pre-K statewide and working with Mayor de Blasio to provide funding for universal pre-K in New York City. Unfortunately, the budget also gives unfair advantages to charter schools at the expense of our public school system.

          'Perhaps the greatest disappointment is Governor Cuomo and the Senate Majority Coalition's failure to pass a robust, statewide system of public financing of elections. This is a lost opportunity to fix a broken political system. Without a serious effort to change the culture of pay-to-play politics, our state government threatens to be mired in corruption and citizens will continue to be cynical about how our democracy actually functions.

          'The citizens of New York deserve better. We will continue to work for a democracy and economy that works for everyone, not just the wealthy and well-connected."'

          'The Working Families Party is New York’s grassroots progressive political party. WFP has won statewide increases in the minimum wage, a landmark green jobs program, and reforms to the state’s Rockefeller drug laws. In New York City, the WFP recently won a three-year long campaign for paid sick days; the Council has passed a bill that will guarantee paid sick days to an estimated one million New Yorkers.'

          There's no such thing as a free market!

          by Albanius on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 03:49:01 PM PDT

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        •  So glad to hear it! (1+ / 0-)
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          Putting the fun back in dysfunctional.

          by hawkseye on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 03:59:12 PM PDT

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