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    •  oh yeah let's not forget (39+ / 0-)

      that little present from Cuomo.  

      Not to mention his gift to Charter Schools in the budget.

      Some Democrat.

      Why yes there is a war on women and minorities.

      by karma5230 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 12:13:17 PM PDT

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      •  Some of the biggest supporters of charters (3+ / 0-)
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        are Dems. Increasingly, Cuomo is not out of the mainstream on this.

        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

        by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 12:40:21 PM PDT

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        •  Would those be rich, investor-type Dems? (23+ / 0-)

          Maybe just ordinary haters of public education for all?

          Or possibly well-meaning but utterly oblivious citizens?

          At this point, charters are essentially nothing more than the blunt wedge of privatization, regardless of their individual merits. The well has been poisoned; the cancer has metastasized.

        •  "mainstream"? That word does not mean what (14+ / 0-)

          you think it means.  Although I'm sure David Brooks is with you on this.

          "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

          by JVolvo on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 01:20:25 PM PDT

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          •  It's funny you said David Brooks instead of (4+ / 0-)
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            Arne Duncan, BHO or Mayor Emanuel or Nutter. You are also leaving out all of the inner city parents who choose to send their kids to charters.

            David Brooks? Let's start with the Dems first.

            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

            by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 01:39:32 PM PDT

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            •  I agree that the Democrats are equally to blame. (4+ / 0-)
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              A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

              by slatsg on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 02:53:29 PM PDT

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              •  Not equally - Bush really unleashed the lie (1+ / 0-)
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                •  The Democrats were scapegoating educators ... (1+ / 0-)
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                  long before the Bush presidency.

                  I still remember Michigan Governor Jim Blanchard referring to us as greedy in the early 1990s. Much like President Obama, he wanted our support at election time, but didn't have our backs after the votes were counted.

                  The DLC promoted charter schools in a publication back in 1994. Source

                  NCLB vs. RttT? I agree with the assessment that Race to the Top is NCLB on steroids.

                  A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

                  by slatsg on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 09:35:12 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah, Duncan. And if you think using Emanuel's (5+ / 0-)

              name will get you any props here...wow.

              So, yes.  You just named CorpraDems who are chasing the $$$.  

              Well done.  You've proved my point, Alex.

              "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

              by JVolvo on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 03:58:41 PM PDT

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              •  My point is why bring up David Brooks when you (0+ / 0-)

                have elected/appointed Dems who have control over actual policy? cn you answer that one? Who has more influence, Brooks or Obama?

                And what about the inner city parents who choose to send their kids there?

                New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:05:39 PM PDT

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                •  I'll go with Moyers and Ravitch. You stick with (5+ / 0-)

                  Cuomo, DeVos, Walton Family Foundation, Oberndorf, Michelle Rhee et al while you lobby for the Big $$$ crowd to dismantle public schools.

                  Ravitch on Moyers

                  "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

                  by JVolvo on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:52:47 PM PDT

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                  •  So you won't answer the question? (0+ / 0-)

                    Okay. You win.

                    But its more like Prez. BHO, Arne Duncan, elected Mayors of Blue Cities Emanuel and Nutter among many, many other Dems. And oh yeah, inner city parents looking for solutions.

                    New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                    by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 04:57:03 PM PDT

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                    •  Seriously? (4+ / 0-)

                      You're siding with fucking Nutter and Rahm?  The same motherfuckers who are trying to decimate their respective school systems and destroy the public school systems in their cities so they can privatize them instead?  

                      I wouldn't be touting shit like that?  They may have D's after their names but they're no Democrats.  They're fucking corporate whores just like this piece of shit Cuomo.

                      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

                      by DisNoir36 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:06:42 PM PDT

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                      •  How were they elected? In Nutter's case, (0+ / 0-)

                        re-elected? And what about the Prez? I am siding with them for trying something different. Both school systems were performing poorly before both Mayors took office.

                        Daley was Mayor for over 20 years and you are blaming Rahm? Give these guys space to operate or elect local pols who will raise the property taxes necessary to double or triple school funding. But remember, LA, Chicago, NYC, Philly and Cleveland are all Blue cities. If we don't like it, it can be changed.

                        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                        by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:18:23 PM PDT

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                        •  heh. It's way early, of course, but here's to your (0+ / 0-)

                          Mayor 1%:

                          Paying relatively little attention to neighborhoods in need in a city that is now an international service and financial hub, Emanuel has largely been considered to be invincible for reelection due to his alleged $6 million political war chest -- and his unstinting support from the business community.
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                          Preckwinkle is a former school teacher who believes government serves the interests of the many, not the privileged few.  Emanuel  -- a former political fundraiser, congressman, and White House chief of staff who earned about $17 million for less than two years as a "rainmaker" for an investment firm after he left the Clinton White House -- believes that government is run by an elite that includes the corporate community -- but not community groups -- as full partners.

                          If Preckwinkle takes on Emanuel's oligarchical rule, the outcome will be determined by whether or not Emanuel's millions in campaign funds can beat back a populist uprising in the city that became most visible with the revolt of the Chicago Teachers Union.

                          Hmm, populist former-teacher County Board president vs Big $$$ neoliberal CorpraCrat.  Super early poll puts her ahead 40% - 32%.  heh

                          The struggle for the soul of the party of FDR continues...

                          D'oh!

                          "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

                          by JVolvo on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 11:32:01 AM PDT

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                          •  Reality. Based.Community. Yeah right! (0+ / 0-)

                            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                            by AlexDrew on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 12:03:24 PM PDT

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                          •  A poll is a poll. You keep cheering privatizing (1+ / 0-)
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                            schools, Mayor 1% and quoting Wall Street's favorite "D" senator (Schumer).

                            Are you on the correct political blog?

                            Michelle Rhee's website is waaay over there ---------->

                            "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

                            by JVolvo on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 12:29:06 PM PDT

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                          •  I went to a private school, and the teachers (0+ / 0-)

                            there were allowed to teach. In a public school systems having to cater to so many situations, that has never been done. I actually think charters will go away, my point was that Dems are pushing this as much the GOP. You are the one who shifted the conversation.

                            What poll are talking about?

                            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                            by AlexDrew on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 01:46:14 PM PDT

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                      •  I'm going out to dinner. You win. (0+ / 0-)

                        Even in blue cities that we have dominated for decades, it's all the Koch Bros and Corp. Dems fault, dating back to the 1960's. Got it.

                        New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                        by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 06:26:25 PM PDT

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                      •  Remember who you're going back and forth with. (2+ / 0-)
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                        Sometimes I think one could easily label AlexDrew a Republican....

                        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                        by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:12:50 PM PDT

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                        •  I am probably more of a reality based (0+ / 0-)

                          progressive than you are. You probably to the left of me on things that will never get done. I will grant you that.

                          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                          by AlexDrew on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 12:05:28 PM PDT

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                          •  Good thing FDR, Kennedy, MLK and LBJ didn't have (1+ / 0-)
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                            you around for council on what can "get done."

                            Whew.

                            "But I do apologize, JVolvo, for you are arbiter of all that can and cannot be discussed and I bow down to your supremacy when it comes to what can be written on this website." WinSmith 1/22/2014 - "OK" JVolvo 1/23/2014 (sorry, Clive)

                            by JVolvo on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 12:31:04 PM PDT

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                          •  You left out Bill Clinton. The economy boomed (0+ / 0-)

                            under him. My kinda guy. Common sense and practical. Now that Warren isn't running, HRC can bring that common sense back to the White House.

                            New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

                            by AlexDrew on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 01:50:05 PM PDT

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                •  In New York City - "choice" is a misnomer (6+ / 0-)

                  Parents everywhere want to send their children to a neighborhood school (esp. elementary and middle school).
                  That's what they generally choose.

                  But in the name of 'choice' Bloomberg spent twelve years destroying that option;

                  He forced the creation of demand for Charters by (1) cherry picking all available space (2) starving neighborhood schools of resources (3) closing neighborhood schools for their space.

                  Now parents of kindergarteners are forced to "choose" where to send their kid.  They don't get a slot in their zoned school and might be sent 2 miles or more away.

                  So yes, people apply to Charters but that's because Bloomberg's DOE was bent on destroying neighborhood schools.

        •  Sadly, true (11+ / 0-)

          The profitization motive crosses party lines, and has clearly infected Governor 1%.

        •  The President's Secretary of Education is one. (7+ / 0-)

          A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

          by slatsg on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 02:29:19 PM PDT

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      •  That Charter Stuff... (9+ / 0-)

        ...is egregious, outrageous... I don't have words enough to express my anger at him for it.

        •  absolutely... (6+ / 0-)

          Why are Governor Cuomo and so many others in favor of charters, when Eva Moscowitz offers such a clear indication of what charter schools stand for.

          (A) She "earns" $600,000 per yer, and her organization has paid in excess of $3 million on newspaper and television ads in support of her schools, yet she cries poverty and says she can't afford to pay rent for her facilities; she expects the taxpayers to provide them.

          (B) She closes her schools for a day and forces students and teachers to accompany her to Albany to stage a demonstration supporting her, although ostensibly they are supporting the idea of charters.  Her priority is to herself; education, if any, for the students, is secondary.  

          What other entrepreneur is entitled to rent-free space and a chance to draw on other public resources when launching or building a for-profit or (allegedly) not-for-profit venture?  What other entrepreneur is not jailed immediately for stealing from a group of children (i.e., the students in public schools) so she can reward other students?  

          If entrepreneur Eva M. and her allies are so convinced that charter schools are such a hot commodity, let them do the heavy lifting, arranging for financing from the private sector; the idea will sell itself.  

          It should not be up to the taxpayers to pay for an entrepreneur's little ventures -- and it should not be permissible for a self-promoter like Eva M. to steal resources from the public schools and the students at those schools just so she can line her pockets.

          Governor Cuomo's support of Ms. Moskowitz is shameful, as is his blatant overstepping in overriding every idea put forth by the New York City's mayor.  

          •  big contributors like charters and hate de Blasio (2+ / 0-)
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            big contributors at best think charters 'work' to 'fix' a broken system

            Cuomo got $800,000 from pro Charter groups
            see post

            And they spent $5 million attacking de Blasio over this in an orchestrated campaign (more than de Blasio spent on his mayor's race)  including half hour segments on moron joe

            all this over three schools

            And the big contributors hate de Blasio's 1/2% tax plan (now DOA) .  That would have cost someone making $20 million $100,000 a year for five years.  Take ten of those guys and you have an ad campaign. Take a 100 and they make money defeating de Blasio and the tax

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