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  •  Exactly (14+ / 0-)

    my reaction. I have had it with him.  I want him primaried. I hope he is primaried.

    Why yes there is a war on women and minorities.

    by karma5230 on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 12:41:42 PM PDT

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    •  Anyone have a prayer of beating him in a primary? (5+ / 0-)

      That's a rather imposing war chest he's collected, not to mention his likely hefty collection of IOUs.

      Would it be totally out of line to call Cuomo the "Democratic" Christie? The major difference being, of course, that Christie is a modern RW Republican through and through. As to Cuomo, his politically calculated support of marriage equality notwithstanding, it's beginning to look more and more like he is, too.

      "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis

      by flitedocnm on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 01:00:47 PM PDT

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      •  Probably not (2+ / 0-)
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        the problem with Cuomo is that he's been a competent governor and that's all most voters really care about.

        •  Most voters don't have a checklist like (0+ / 0-)

          some of our fellow Kossacks. You are dead on the money with "competent". I was living in London in during the 2010 cycle and didn't keep up with the ins and outs of campaigns. Did Cuomo run as a progressive?

          New Republic: So are the left-wing blogs as bad as the Tea Party ones in this case? -------------------------Chuck Schumer: Left-wing blogs are the mirror image. They just have less credibility and less clout.

          by AlexDrew on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 03:57:05 PM PDT

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          •  No (0+ / 0-)

            but in the wake of the Spitzer/Paterson drama, that didn't matter. All that mattered was competence.

            For lack of a better phrase, progressives shot their load with Spitzer. They really didn't have a leg to stand on in 2010.

            What many on the left don't realize is that in New York, while there si wide agreement with progressives on all issues, there has always been a hesitance to voting for hardcore liberals, in part because of the notion that they care uncompromising and therefore unable to effectively govern. This largely comes out of the Spitzer effect. Even before his sex scandal brought him down, he became an unpopular governor because he was seen as too much of an ideologue to govern effectively. Now he's the poster child for uncompromising ineffectiveness.

            The same caricature is emerging with Mayor de Blasio, that everything he does is political. (i.e. "he leaves schools open in snowstorms because like all liberals, he thinks parents shouldn't be responsible for their children, public schools should be"). Just today I've been hearing a lot of complaints over the fact that he brought up pre-K during a press scrum at Citi Field during Mets opening day. "Everything he does is political."

            It's a ridiculous assertion, but there is a sense, even among those who themselves are pretty far to the left, that to govern, you must abandon some principals.

        •  "Competent" (1+ / 0-)
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          depends on your point of view.

          If you look at Cuomo from the left, he's a "competent" professional politician (because he's Machiavellian in how he triangulates every move), but a piss-poor liberal.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 07:27:02 PM PDT

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          •  Most don't look at him through that lens (0+ / 0-)

            all that matters is "are budgets on time, is the state functioning, is the economy ok?"

            When you look at the management of the state under Pataki, Spitzer and Paterson and compare it to Cuomo, you can't possibly make the assertion that he isn't the best of the bunch, even if he isn't at all a liberal.

            If he were a Republican, he would win reelection.

            •  Maybe. (0+ / 0-)

              Personally, I found Spitzer to be quite competent.

              Had he kept his pants on....

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 08:23:41 PM PDT

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              •  The aura of incompetence (0+ / 0-)

                came because he uncompromising. It came across as "my way or I blow everything up." People don't like that regardless of whether or not it's someone fighting for their principles.

                That's why his approval ratings was in the 30s months before the scandal.

                Had he kept his pants on, Idk, maybe he would've survived, maybe he wouldn't been primaried by Cuomo anyway.

                On-time budgets are the main reason people see Cuomo as competent, because they were unheard of before him.

                •  In my view (2+ / 0-)
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                  competence isn't always popular.  As was pointed out the other day by Richard Brodsky - on-time budgets don't mean they're done right.  In fact, in many cases, the later they are, the better.

                  Spitzer - and his "I'm a fuckin' steamroller!" attitude really wasn't all that different than Cuomos "I'm the government!" attitude.

                  People just view them differently, though their personalities are much the same.  Both are man-children who must get their way, or they throw a tantrum.

                  The only real difference lies with how the press portrays them.  Spitzer was vilified for that attitude, Cuomo has been sainted for it.  Why?  The press disagreed with Spitzers more liberal policies, and tend to fall right in line for Cuomos pro-corporate crap.  Go figure - the press in this state is largely controlled by a handful of large conglomerates....

                  "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                  by Darth Stateworker on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 10:49:03 PM PDT

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                  •  Perhaps (1+ / 0-)
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                    I don't disagree that they're similar and that the press treats them differently

                    But the thing is, it helps that when Cuomo wants something, he gets it, but when Spitzer wanted something, he didn't get it, and that plays in the minds of voters.

                    If people said no to Cuomo, his approval ratings would plummet.

                    •  Agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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                      Saying no to him would hurt him.  If the press would report it that way.

                      Problem is, he's already been told no.  On fracking.  On pension amortization.  Basically, on more than a few high profile items.

                      However, his image and his perceived power doesn't suffer - largely due to the way the Capitol press corps frames the losses.  Again, "Cuomo the All-Powerful" is largely a creation of the press.  Silver could stand in his way any time he wants to.  But Silver, being a calm, cool political actor, apparently just feels its best to bide his time and let Cuomo hang himself.  He's likely right: with the level of sleeze Cuomo exudes, it's likely only a matter of time before his administration ends up caught up in scandal.  That's my prediction.

                      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 01, 2014 at 08:43:15 AM PDT

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