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  •  Crimea does not appear (1+ / 0-)
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    to be on the table as far as Russia is concerned. They might be willing to trade something else in return for international recognition of the change. More likely it will be like the two provinces that were detached from Georgia.

    •  They don't seem to be discussed either. (3+ / 0-)
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      Richard Lyon, AoT, Mindful Nature

      Obama or Kerry didn't mention Crimea either so it's clear that Russia is not giving it up and US is not really demanding it.

      •  The claims that Russia would attack NATO (2+ / 0-)
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        and Ukraine, and was like Hitler mean that just keeping Crimea is the reasonable and responsible option for Russia now. Given that some of that noise was coming from one of Putin's former ministers it makes me wonder just how badly the right wing got played on this.

        The president on the other hand has played this as well as possible with the hand he had.

        If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

        by AoT on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 02:19:54 PM PDT

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        •  Attack on NATO wasn't suggested by anyone serious (2+ / 0-)
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          afaik. And the situation with Ukraine is not quite over yet. Although given that Ukrainians are demanding to be present during discussions they obviously expect the discussions to produce smth. Sure, not attacking Ukraine is a responsible thing to do but it's far from obvious that Putin will do the responsible thing.

          If the end result will be Russian Crimea with no significant changes otherwise, it will be a strong performance by the President.

          •  There was the former Minister who implied (2+ / 0-)
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            it, who was a CATO member. There have also been suggestions that Russia would invade Finland. I've been saying that there is no chance Russia would attack NATO the whole time, but there were people here who are otherwise reasonable who believed it was a possibility. There were a number of people in Europe whom I know who seemed to think there was a threat of that as well. Even invading Ukraine seemed totally out there.

            Sure, not attacking Ukraine is a responsible thing to do but it's far from obvious that Putin will do the responsible thing.
            It fits past behavior,  Georgia for example. It's not just rational, it looks good for Russia and for Putin. Putin often takes the action that makes him look like the rational actor on the stage.

            If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

            by AoT on Mon Mar 31, 2014 at 03:08:30 PM PDT

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            •  Ah, Illarionov. I looked at his blog and he (1+ / 0-)
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              doesn't have anything like it there. Maybe he did say it at some point. He blames Ukrainian government for not resisting Russians and to some extent Obama and Merkel for not being tougher.

              Putin is a very good tactician. I also assumed that he won't invade Eastern Ukraine. But it's hard to predict what he's going to do.

    •  Abkhazia and South Ossetia (2+ / 0-)
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      were not detached by Russia but in early 1990s during civil war as result of ultranationalist policies of Zviad Gamsahurdia regime

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