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  •  An alternative suggestion here (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    Okay so some companies are against paying for health insurance that provides certain things to their employees for free.  It is an increased cost to those companies #1 and they say it is against their religious beliefs #2.  

    So, an alternative is to give the employees the option to pay the extra amount that would be added to their employer's coverage to get that benefit.

    This couldn't be a large cost and would protect the employer's right to practice their religious beliefs.

    Just a suggestion.

    •  Corporations are people (1+ / 0-)
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      kirnerpilstime

      not religious institutions.

      Next they'll be asking for tax exemptions.

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

      by Words In Action on Thu Apr 03, 2014 at 09:43:00 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I know (0+ / 0-)

        I know that's good banter and all, but it doesn't really speak to my suggestion actually.  I think it's an alternative to at least give folks the ability to get coverage they want even if it costs them a tad more.

        •  It's more than a bad precedent, though. (1+ / 0-)
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          tubaguy

          There are reasons for covering abortions, just as there's a reason for Planned Parenthood. Two are that it is damn effective public health and social policy.

          Trust, but verify. - Reagan
          Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

          When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

          by Words In Action on Thu Apr 03, 2014 at 10:41:58 AM PDT

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    •  Health insurance from an employer (4+ / 0-)
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      Silina, MKinTN, tubaguy, aratinga

      Isn't free. It's part of the employee's compensation. If the corporations are allowed to tell an employee what healthcare they can have because of religious beliefs, next they will have a say on how your paycheck gets spent.

      No high heals or make up, and you can't purchase a dress with a hem above the knee cap. No pink clothes for men, no red shoes for women. Because religion.

    •  The problem with this idea is that (4+ / 0-)
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      kirnerpilstime, MKinTN, tubaguy, aratinga

      the employers aren't "giving" the employees anything.  Health insurance is part of the compensation they earn and is just like their salary.  So giving an employer the power to say what specific treatments the employee can obtain with their health insurance is no different than the employer saving what the employee can spend their salary on.

      Also, carving out exceptions for specific treatments because of religious "beliefs," tends to destroy the idea of insurance since it's based upon pooled risk.  And, since covering contraception is much cheaper than covering a pregnancy (even one with no complications -- if there are problems the cost goes up exponentially), it seems to me that the insurance company would be within their rights to charge an additional premium to Hobby Lobby to cover the insurance company's increased risk of costs.

      •  Ooooh, I like that! (0+ / 0-)
        it seems to me that the insurance company would be within their rights to charge an additional premium to Hobby Lobby to cover the insurance company's increased risk of costs.
        What a great idea. Let's have that happen and see how long Hobby Lobby believes in controlling it's employees

        One can no longer say that they don't believe in contraception because they invest in it. This is all about controlling women.

    •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

      I've tried this "common sense" approach in the past myself, and each time was shot down on the grounds that yada, yada, yada, but we do appreciate your comment. I personally would have you walk to the front of the class and explain how common sense works to these people but thats just me. Please don't lose the ability to solve problems with an intelligent straight forward approach. We're going to call on you later.

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