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  •  Excellent question, to which I do not know the (2+ / 0-)
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    answer bkamr. It is now on the top of my research list along with your last most excellent question about illegal  game imports to Europe.

    Your incisive intellect has stimulated much forward thinking here bkamr. Please tell us what else you are thinking about and what other questions are on your mind.

    "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

    by HoundDog on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 04:31:30 PM PDT

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    •  Micro major. I have quite a few questions and (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm not finding many answers to them, as yet.  Maybe you've run across some answers.

      I'm wondering how are monkeys and apes are contracting it from the bats?  It could be from a bite (bat to primate) or from chimps hunting or scavenging (will chimps eat carrion?) bat meat ... with people mainly coming into contact with the virus through primate bushmeat.

      This would seem to fit with the prior outbreaks, and the new movement to the coasts could be part of the illegal bushmeat trade.  This would be problematic, but there'd be a way to get this under control since it would mainly still be spread through direct contact.

      Public education that you could DIE a horrible death, fast ought to go a long way toward shutting down the demand for the illegal meat among the European elites.  Kill the demand and go after the supply chains in Africa.

      However, if bats shed it in urine or feces, and the virus developed even just a little surface viability in these substances, we'd have a serouisly problematic scenario. Primates (including us) could come into contact just from being in trees or under trees with infected bat populations.

      If it survives in saliva and sweat, is it viable in water?

      Are there any cave systems near the human outbreak centers?

      It's not like we could easily do mass kills like they did with domestic fowl, and how dependent are ecosystems in the regions on bats as pollinators?  Can we really afford to kill off bats given their growing importance as pollinators due to bee losses?  

      How long are the current people carrying the virus before they are showing symptoms, and what is the window for a person being contagious?

      Any answers to any questions would be appreciated, and now that dinner is over, I'll be searching the web.


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      by bkamr on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 05:37:30 PM PDT

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      •  we only just recently learned abot the bats (2+ / 0-)
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        The reservoir used to be a complete mystery.  But we've also seen Ebola in animals like Antelope and any number of monkeys.

        The general theory is no, urine and fecal exposure wont do it.  The thought is that it is exposure to body fluids (blood, tissue, etc) into any kind of open wound on the human.

        This is an active area of research.

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        by Wisper on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 07:51:51 PM PDT

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      •  I suspect you've identified two ways monkes and (2+ / 0-)
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        other primates are getting it. One from eating dead bats on the ground. If they are hungry enough. And, more likely Bat feces and urine on the trees and leaves where monkeys live through out the day and eat. Also, on fruit and other monkey food.

        Also, now that I realize how easy it would be for monkeys and other tree dwelling animals to get infected I believe we will learn that the more likely, or common transmission vector was from bats to primates, and other animals, and then from these animals to humans.

        Because the bat soup that has been decribed in the lower class beer halls is boiled for many hours down to a mush and heavily peppered so I suspect the virus might be killed and this isn't really that popular, and my understanding is it is consumed by primarily by the very poor.

        The incubation time from infection to developing symptoms ranges from 2 to 21 days, with death occurring then quickly I believe within two days.

        I do not know about cave systems in the regions, nor survivability of the virus in water.

        I'm sure illegal imports of bushmeat to Europe will drop off quickly. A lot of these kinds of black market trades are actually known about, but bribery gets them through customs. But, once higher up decide to really crack down, they can put a stop to it.

        Plus as you note, As knowledge and fear of this epidemic spread, demand will fall off quickly.

        Additionally, just as Saudi Arabia canceled Visa, many countries will be cancelling trade and denying port entry from ships coming from these regions.

        Even beyond that, can we not also anticipate that clever cargo boat operators anticipating this will not even bother to take take their ships into port of afflicted areas to load potentially infected bushmeat for fear of being infected themselves or having their boats locked up in quarentine.

        Holy Smokes it sure is a pleasure talking with you bkamr. Your mind is like a sponge for knowledge and a coiled tiger of a curious cat of brilliant questions.

        You must still be young as your mind has the rare and quick vibrancy of youth. It is an easy prediction that you will be enormously successful at whatever you do as long as you stay focused and disciplined. One challenge for young people as talented as yourself, is that easy success at any area you try sometimes leads to spreading too thin.

        Keeping a broad understanding of many areas provides great perspective, AND make sure you choose you most favorite strong suites to concentrate on with discipline to cultivate a superior knowledge of and skill set around.

        With a combination of a commanding mastery of your core discipline and a broad overview you will be able to open many doorways to success.

        Please visit my posts as frequently as you can, as you have taught me at least a dozen valuable lessons just in this one evening. It is a rare pleasure to encounter a mind as nimble and curious as yours.

        Cheers best wishes with your studies.

        "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

        by HoundDog on Wed Apr 02, 2014 at 08:47:07 PM PDT

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