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  •  Understand that factual analysis... (10+ / 0-)

    doesn't always sway the US electorate (Dukakis). You need to spin it with a little style and B.S. (Clinton). The GOP understands this thoroughly. They focus on carpet bombing people with a steady stream of emotionally charged nonsense. It has become a national punchline to anyone but the serial fox "news" watchers (who are a lost cause anyway.) Let them continue to hang themselves, and use their words against them as it becomes more and more obvious that they are lies.

    •  You have to speak to the people, understanding (2+ / 0-)
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      our needs, hopes, and fears.

      That, unfortunately, requires listening skills that seem to be in short supply among Democrats.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 08:57:20 AM PDT

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      •  IT IS NOT THE ELECTORATE'S FAULT......!!! (1+ / 0-)
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        This is a loser strategy...!!!

      •  I think the Dems have a pretty... (2+ / 0-)
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        good handle on the "needs, hopes, and fears"of the US citizenry.  Problem is, too many have had their "fears" defined by republican propaganda.

      •  The elitist dems (2+ / 0-)
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        just tell the working class to all get degrees and are more than willing to lend them the money to do so.   Too bad the jobs don't pay enough to ever pay off that debt.

        And of course the president of our university here makes $900K a year = liberal elitist.

        •  And the GOP plan on prevailing .... (1+ / 0-)
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          wage job creation in the US is????
          Outsource to enhance the corporate bottom line at the expense of the US working class. THAT is a losing strategy.
          "We're all Keynesians now." Richard Nixon.

          •  Absolutely determined to miss the point, aren't (0+ / 0-)


            If you want to join a debating society, fine.

            Elections are not that.

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            by dinotrac on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 12:23:32 PM PDT

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            •  Elections are nothing BUT debates... (0+ / 0-)

              and they actually hold debates between the candidates. It's on TV.
              It's one set of ideals against another. The winner convinces the US electorate that their ideas are better for them.
              Now that we've come full circle, I hope you see the point.

              •  Hmmm. Must be why Nixon won in '60, (0+ / 0-)

                and Gore won in '00.

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                by dinotrac on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 03:39:26 PM PDT

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                •  Because the people voted... (0+ / 0-)

                  for Kennedy, and the SC stopped the FL recount? Or, because you're jealous of a university president that makes more than you.

                  •  Get your facts straight. (0+ / 0-)

                    There were was a Florida recount.
                    At no time did the Gore campaign request a constitutionally acceptable recount, a fact affirmed by a 7-2 Supreme Court vote.

                    The only official recount found a Bush victory.
                    There were two major studies done by news organizations -- not official sources -- and the results were that Gore "might" have won a statewide recount that included counting "overcount" ballots -- something Gore never requested.

                    The only controversial ruling in Bush v. Gore was the decision that, in failing to request a Constitutionally acceptable recount, Gore had allowed the clock to run out. That ruling was justifiably criticized, but that's a long way from saying Gore actually won the vote.

                    The Florida vote was effectively a tie -- and might have swung Bush's way if the state had not been called for Gore while panhandle polls were still voting.  We'll never know what might have been, only what was.

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                    by dinotrac on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 04:51:10 PM PDT

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                    •  take your own advice (0+ / 0-)

                      There was a recount, of votes that weren't already thrown out before they were even counted once, and that's just one of several things you conveniently ignore, along with the atrocity that was Bush v. Gore, as legal scholars much more intelligent than you have said.
                      But it's pointless arguing much with a GOP apologist such as yourself, who thinks he's some unaffiliated voice of reason, really just an attention starved loser trolling most threads here looking for any excuse to attack Democrats.  

      •  bullshit (0+ / 0-)

        The Democrats as a whole are much more in tune with the needs of the working class than the Repubs, it's not even close and you'd know it if you weren't such a mindless GOP apologist.
        Minimum wage, worker safety, equal pay, healthcare, education, the list goes on.  How about you list the issues that Obama and the Dems aren't responding to, including jobs, and what they should be proposing beyond just mindlessly repeating "jobs" and nothing more?
        It'll require a bit more thought than "Dems suck" for the billionth time.

    •  Agree, though we rely too heavily on the (2+ / 0-)
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      disputable notion that Republicans are always on the verge of suicide. They seem to thrive while choking and, with the devoted attention of Third Way emergency miracle workers, have more lives than a feline demi-god.

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      When the rich have tripled their share of the income and wealth yet again, Republicans will still blame the poor and 3rd Way Democrats will still negotiate.

      by Words In Action on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 09:34:05 AM PDT

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      •  It's even worse: Republican bashing is a loser (2+ / 0-)
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        This should be obvious to all the genius Dem and progressive opinionistas, but it apparently eludes them: demonizing Republicans may feel good, but it won't do squat to get those critical millenials, minorities, and lower class voters to the polls. In fact, it just turns them off. If you want to get those people to come out to vote, you need to offer them really good reasons to vote for you. Those reasons need to he direct, immediate and tangible. Plain and simple, and nothing else will do. I would suggest: JOBS JOBS JOBS, and massive expansion of the safety net.

        "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

        by quill on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 09:56:47 AM PDT

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    •  "stylish B.S. (Clinton)"... (2+ / 0-)
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      brought us NAFTA & the repeal of Glass-Stegall.

      Lest we forget, it hasn't been exclusively Bush policies that this president has had to deal with.

      "third way" is still far too popular with far too many Democrats.

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Sun Apr 06, 2014 at 09:57:57 AM PDT

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