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  •  Well, if you think things are bad here (7+ / 0-)

    you haven't been paying attention to the open war among the Republican factions.

    My favorite pie fight of all is going on among Creationists at Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis. They claim to believe that the stars are where astronomers say they are, but they argue about how to torture General Relativity into allowing the light from nearby stars to reach Adam in the garden just two days later, and how light from distant stars and the Cosmic Microwave Background got here from as much as 13.8 billion light years away in less than 10,000 years. All without God leaving any detectable fingerprints on it anywhere. Each one vociferously denounces the others' obvious scientific mistakes.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 05:47:57 PM PDT

    •  I like Heinlein's Assertion (5+ / 0-)

      If all things are possible with God, then there's no problem. To paraphrase Heinlein from (I think) "Job - A Comedy of Justice", the universe can easily have been created 5,000 or so years ago, and still have things in it that are billions of years old because God created it already old.

      There's some great quotes from Job here; more Heinlein quotes here.

      "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

      by xaxnar on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 06:15:50 PM PDT

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      •  These guys don't see, (4+ / 0-)
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        the bigger picture of Creation.

        How old the Universe is, has nothing to do with how long people have been on earth.

        ie Bible says: First; God Created The Heavens And The Earth, doesn't say anything about a time frame of when he created humankind.

        Mentions some days. But man invented that word.

        Days in Biblical terms; could mean any number of years, millions even. The Bible says people lived to be 800 plus years old? That seems like a very long time. No pollution, I guess?

        It's pretty sketchy; the explanation of Creation, to be able to identify how long this all really took.

        Science doesn't mean there's not a God, it just tries to explain his creation and how it works. Even God would use natural physics in creation.

        Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

        by rebel ga on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 06:45:36 PM PDT

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        •  I agree ! (4+ / 0-)
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          Besides.. what would time be to God?  Time is man made.
          people should concetrate on their 70 some odd years of their own time on earth rather than babble about something that existed before their birth and will be here after death...  That dash on a headstone is what one should be concerned with...That's their life.

          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 07:44:05 PM PDT

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      •  According to Answers in Genesis (3+ / 0-)
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        if God created the stars and all the light between them and us all at the same time, so that we see them where they are, that means that God is lying to us, and they can't have that. So they get into their endless contortions about how to make the speed of light change so that it all gets here at just the right time without leaving any traces of the process, and never mind how the stars emit all of that extra light in such a short time, but that isn't God lying at all, no siree.

        It's a pie fight, and they don't want your opinion of any of it. I assure you that you don't want to insert yourself into it. They have thought of all of the kinds of nonsense you might be able to invent, and they have divided the nonsense into heresies and approved theologies and approved pseudoscience, with only a few niggling loose ends left over that don't interfere with their core beliefs.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Sat Apr 05, 2014 at 10:59:38 PM PDT

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