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  •  It's naive to think (3+ / 0-)

    It's naive to think that any video recordings of torture still exist or will ever see the light of day without whistleblower intervention.

    It won't matter what is in any report.  Without the public seeing it for themselves, their will always be speculation and deniability.  

    Another comment mentioned that this report may very lead to new reforms.  I don't believe it.  There may be talk of reform.  It may saturate the news, even globally, for weeks or months, but ultimately, nothing will change.  Look no farther than Snowden's revelations about the NSA.  The public was shocked.  World governments felt betrayed.  And data collection keeps humming along........

    •  Collectors collect. Bureaucrats put stuff in (1+ / 0-)
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      files and drawers. What our agents of government do to people is different.
      One of the major difficulties is that U.S. culture coutenances abuse as almost a virtue. "Toughening people up" and "toughening it out" are presumed to be good--make us strong. That's an abusive pattern, one that needs to be changed both in the domestic and the military arena. Wouldn't hurt in the sports arena either.
      That injury which doesn't kill is good has to be changed.

      I think it's interesting that several of the recent affirmations of human and civil rights have come out of law suits filed by foreigners (Hamdan and Boumantine) to force compliance with our own announced standards of acceptable behavior. The law suits brought by the survivors of torture in Iraq, or their families, can do the same. "Justice delayed is justice denied" is actually false, a mantra pronounced by people who confuse justice with revenge. The law's delays do serve a purpose in that they winnow the truth and test the innocent person's perseverence. I suspect the legal community counts on the persistence of the innocent person, though they are loath to admit it. If there were no innocents in prison, how would we demonstrate where the laws fail?

      by hannah on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 02:08:14 AM PDT

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