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  •  BS. Those pro-Ukrainian activists were fascists (2+ / 1-)
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    and ultra-nationalist from western Ukraine who came in to organize an opposition which did not exist and which they could not get to materialize. They were quickly scooped up by the local Crimeans or driven off back across the border from whence they came. Actual hard news reporting of those events exists, as opposed to all the anecdotal bullshit that's being spouted.

    Look, hard as it is for all the suffers of PDS (Putin Derangement Syndrome) to admit, Crimeans overwhelmingly voted their economic interests. The same will happen all over Eastern Ukraine once IMF "reforms" are fully implemented. Here's the hard truth: you cannot eat liberal democracy or heat you flat with intellectual and artist freedom. People will vote to feed their families and keep a warm roof over their heads, and where they aren't permitted to do that, they will rise up. End of story.

    •  After our earlier exchange (0+ / 0-)

      I have decided to follow you.  I would like you to write a diary explaining whom you hold responsible for the fact you and your family had to flee your home country, and how this affects your politics today.

      The Stars and Bars and the red swastika banner are both offerings to the same barbaric god.

      by amyzex on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 12:29:18 PM PDT

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      •  I hold Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Tito responsible. (1+ / 0-)
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        I have a complex lineage. My father was born and raised in central Serbia but his family came from Dalmatia. His grandfather emigrated in the late 19th century when the crowned heads of Europe were yet again in one of their periods of redrawing maps. His surname is readily recognized as a Montenegrin surname. He was captured by the Nazis at the beginning of WWII when he was not quite 21 and spent 4 years as a prisoner of war in one of the Nazi's most infamous prison camps, Stalag Xb, Sandbostel Prison. Ninety percent of the prisoners held there died. He survived despite having contracted typhoid fever and lived to the age if 91. (It has been suggested that the Nazis were experimenting with typhus and purposely exposed the prisoners to virulent strains they were developing as weapons of war.) He was unable to return to his homeland after liberation from POW camp because of Tito's takeover. He had fought in the army of the King of Serbia, and the communists decided to imprison and execute the returning royalists. His uncle who attempted to return was caught and executed.

        My mother was born in East Prussia, but her parents' families were Germans from Russia who fled to East Prussia near the end of the Great War. They were not typical Germans from Russia in that they were not yeomen farmers. They were very wealthy - prior to the revolution, that is. Her paternal line (originally from Salzburg) lived in Odessa and owned ships and warehouses on the Black Sea. Her maternal line was Prussian gentry with very extensive holdings in Belarus. My mother and her family were captured by the Russians at the end of WWII and spent 14 months in concentration camp. From there they were expelled to East Germany. My mother escaped to the West with her mother and seven younger siblings just as the Russians were stringing the last lines of barbed wire, closing off transit between East and West. To do this my mother had to cross the border five times to bring everyone safely to the other side. She is 84 years old and an incredibly brave woman.

        •  Very compelling. (1+ / 1-)
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          Then write a diary on why you think Obama should be classed with the likes of Tito, let alone the others on the list above.  Based on your comments throughout this diary that seems to be what you think.

          The Stars and Bars and the red swastika banner are both offerings to the same barbaric god.

          by amyzex on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 01:52:58 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, puhleeez! (1+ / 1-)
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            Give me a fucking break! Puny little intellects that cannot accept legitimate political arguments and counter with reason and logic have to resort to vile accusations like yours. First, may I point out that you are full if shit.  Nowhere do I compare Obama to the fascists or communists of the twentieth century. Second, do not attempt to put words in my mouth or profess that you can read my mind. Just because I do not agree with YOU and think that US policy in Ukraine is extremely detrimental to Ukrainians does not give you license to infer or imply anything beyond my actual written comments, Ms. Stalker.

      •  Well (1+ / 0-)
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        my story is that when Russia invaded Estonia, they murdered my grandfather, a Lutheran pastor, pretty much straight off.  My father was seized by the retreating Nazi army as slave labor, while one of his brothers was sent to the gulags as part of the Russification of Estonia.  It was too dangerous for my family to communicate with anyone in Estonia under the Soviets, so we had no contact with any of them from 1942 until 1990.

        That's my story, in a short nutshell

        •  You would think that with such parallel histories (0+ / 0-)

          we would have more in common. The thing is, I don't blame the Russian people or the German people for what happened to my family. I let go of my grief, my hatred, my disappointment, my fear long ago. I recommend forgiveness to everyone. It allows one to view things rationally instead of clouding ones judgement with bias borne of old wounds.

    •  evidence (2+ / 0-)
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      This is totally fake.  A number of them (including a Tatar activist) were Tatars.  A significant number there were also Crimean locals.

      The amount of people here who simply swallow Kremlin press releases uncritically is astonishing, as are the number of apologists for what is in reality imperialism.

      However, calling people who have reached different conclusions from you from reading a more even handed balance of news sources "deranged" earns you donut.

      •  Bwaaahahahaha! You think you can intimidate me? (0+ / 0-)

        That move was pathetic. You think you're going to shut me up with your strawman army? As if you had even the slightest idea what I read and don't read. I'm not the one who has swallowed the propaganda. I'm not the jingoistic cheerleader ready to throw a whole country to the IMF and world bank wolves just to keep them out of Putin's sphere of influence. My eyes are wide open and not clouded by irrational hatred. I actually know people in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. I care deeply what happens to them. I know for a fact that they do not want to be ruled by Kiev, and when the full force of IMF austerity hits the country, the secession movement will become a tidal wave, and all the anti-Russian animus from people without a dog in the hunt will not mean diddly shit.

      •  By the way, (0+ / 0-)

        You are guilty of HR abuse, a claim of mind reading (you claim to know what I read and what I think) and false accusation. (I never called anyone deranged. I used the term in precisely the same way people on this site use a similar term to refer to Republican views of President Obama. It's shorthand for "irrational hatred" and you know it.) I have my big girl panties on, though, so I'm not bothering to report it to admin - this time.

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