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  •  I have a question: (5+ / 0-)
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    Why did the uninsurance rate grow between 2009 and 2013?

    I would have expected it to slowly decline in tandem with the unemployment rate.

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    by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 07:44:05 AM PDT

    •  Probably because health insurance (9+ / 0-)

      kept getting more and more expensive so people were priced out of the market.

      •  Interesting way to test that: look further back. (0+ / 0-)

        Health care inflation has been going on for a long time. If the trend from 2009-2013 looks like the trend from 2000-2008, then it would probably be safe to say that the increase just before Obamacare is merely an extension of a longer trend.

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        by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 10:35:59 AM PDT

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    •  I'd expect in large part because (5+ / 0-)

      the unemployment rate is not a terribly accurate portrayal of the number of people who aren't working, and add to that the fact that a lot of us who were employed were employed part time and didn't have insurance and couldn't afford insurance. Most jobs these days don't have benefits in my experience.

      If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

      by AoT on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 07:56:17 AM PDT

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      •  And in a few cases (2+ / 0-)
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        Because a severance package covered health care insurance for a while. Or because an individual purchased COBRA insurance while he/she still had money and hoped to get a new job quickly. Or because one spouse changed to family coverage that later got dropped, either when it became too expensive, or when he/she got laid off as well. Or ...

      •  Whether the unemployment rate is precise or not... (1+ / 0-)
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        it's continual downward trend is real. You don't have to find the absolute numbers to be entirely accurate to recognize the, yes, the economy was better in 2013 than it was in 2009.

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        by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 10:32:54 AM PDT

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        •  Labor force size bottomed out in 2011 (0+ / 0-)

          right about the time that the number of uninsured jumped up to its near high of 17.5. The peak last year doesn't make much sense though.

          Also, this is all from a survey so there are problems with it in that respect. I wouldn't be surprised if more awareness led to people being more likely to know they're not insured. Which is a bit weird. But the most likely culprit is the shitty type of jobs that have been available during the "recovery".

          If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

          by AoT on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 11:43:38 AM PDT

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          •  With Baby Boomer retirements driving up.... (0+ / 0-)

            the out-of-the-labor-force numbers - retirees who go onto Medicare - it's a leap to cite that as either the best measure of when the economy turned around, or the driving force in the uninsured numbers.

            Look, let's make this real simple: was the economy better in 2013 than in 2009?

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            by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 12:03:49 PM PDT

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            •  I'm not disputing what you're saying (1+ / 0-)
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              I'm just looking for a decent explanation for what you pointed out. The boomers retiring should have bumped up the numbers on the people who have government provided insurance, and the number of people enrolled in medicaid under the expansion would also increase the numbers with government insurance.

              I don't see anything that would contribute to that increase to 18% there though. I guess it could be people who just turned 18 and whose parents couldn't afford insurance, since this is just for adults.

              If knowledge is power and power corrupts, does that mean that knowledge corrupts?

              by AoT on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 12:23:20 PM PDT

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              •  I wonder if it could be a b.s.-generated number. (1+ / 0-)
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                I wonder if a measurable number of people, at the end of 2013, reported "no insurance" inaccurately, because they expected to soon lose their insurance because of Obamacare-ocalpyse.

                People who got "cancellation notices" that were really "You're going to be on a different insurance plan" notices, or people who actually lost their insurance but shortly thereafter signed up on the exchanges, Medicaid, or elsewhere.

                I cannot help but notice that it 1) spiked and then plummeted in a self-reporting survey, and 2) took place right at the exchange rollout/dawning of the universal standards regs.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 12:40:20 PM PDT

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        •  Employment-population ratio? (0+ / 0-)

          Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

          by benamery21 on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 12:12:03 AM PDT

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    •  The 18% peak draws my curiosity (4+ / 0-)

      It makes me wonder if there were some insurance companies dropping more people for political reasons, or there were non-ACA compliant issues that suddenly reduced the number of insured.

      I'm guessing the longer pattern from 2009 is about the inferior types of employment with fewer benefits that tended to be a disappointing feature of this jobs recovery.

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      by Satya1 on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 08:42:55 AM PDT

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    •  Wellpoint one of the largest raised premiums 39% (1+ / 0-)
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      ..in 2009.

      INDIANAPOLIS — Health insurer WellPoint blames the Great Recession and rising medical costs for its planned 39 percent rate increase for some California customers. To President Barack Obama, however, it's Exhibit A in his campaign to revive the health care overhaul.

      Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who received the company's explanation in a letter Thursday, said "it remains difficult to understand" how premium increases of that size by can be justified when WellPoint Inc. reported a $2.7 billion profit in the last quarter of 2009.


      I just recently heard this being discussed on MSNBC.

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