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  •  and I can't wait to see dragons versus Ice Walkers (8+ / 0-)

    I of course want to read it, but man, just think of the visuals if that comes to pass.  

    •  Don't get too cocky, but in the books there are (5+ / 0-)

      mentions that there used to be ICE dragons, in addition to the fire-breathing kind.  Not sure whether these are former fire-breathers who died and then were "resurrected" as "ice" dragons with blue eyes.  However, the "North Star" in westeros is called the Ice Dragon's Eye and is said to have a bluish cast to it.  Definitive, no, but it is suggestive. So, don't think that the dragons are a complete answer here.

      Even a single lamp dispels the darkness. --Gandhi

      by My Philosophy on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 07:16:04 PM PDT

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      •  The Ice Dragon (5+ / 0-)

        is the title of another George R. R. Martin book. Haven't read it yet, but have read the earlier Dunc & Egg stories that are set in Westeros, and which HBO may be turning into a spin off series someday.

        •  Duncan got a nice call out... (4+ / 0-)

          As Joffrey was looking through the kingsguard book.

          •  Yes! And his descendent was in the episode (1+ / 0-)
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            Minor spoiler warning, no names.

            Sir Duncan the Tall was very, very tall.  And so is his descendent in the episode.  There's a real subtle reference in the books to said person finding an old shield painted like Duncan's.

            Found in the armory on the Sapphire Isle...

        •  The Ice Dragon (6+ / 0-)

          was originally a story in an anthology called Dragons of Light first printed in 1980. He did a rewrite, cutting our some adult content to turn the story into a YA-appropriate book with illustrations by Yvonne Gilbert, published by TOR.

          I like, and own both versions (I'm a SF collector, have been for decades). The original version is for adult readers, I'd say over the age of 16-17, but the YA version makes a good book to read with kids.

          While there might be Ice Dragons beyond the Wall, Martin has a big world to fill with names for everything, for people and villages and the stream that leads to the big river. Getting to have a bit of fun in the creation of such a huge freakin' universe, is something that other writers have indulged in, deliberately or not, in the SF/F genre even have a name for taking the names of friends or enemies and putting them into a story. We call it 'Tuckerization', for Wilson Tucker, a long-time practitioner of dropping his friends into adventures in the stories he wrote.

          In other words, Martin may have just been giving a little inside reference for long-time readers. He creates homages in the names and House of minor characters, such as Lord Amberley whose sigil is a field with nine unicorns for Roger Zelazny, and Lord Jordan of Tor, Robert Jordan, who published his Wheel of Time series at TOR books, one of the best (and big) SF/F publishers in the genre.

          Sorry for going on so long, but this is something I know about, SF is my tribe and nation, been a fan since my first Heinlein juvenile story, Have Space Suite, Will Travel. Martin is one of my favorite writers of my generation, and I've been collecting his work for a long time. I've re-read his works more times than I've read Mark Twain or Jane Austen.

          Pick up a collection of his shorter fiction from the 70s-90s, lots of good reads to be had.

          "You bring politics into everything, Congressman" - Gabriel Gomez (R) to Ed Markey (D) 6/5/13 during debate.

          by NMRed on Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 09:10:03 PM PDT

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