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  •  What if a bill like Maryland is something that (2+ / 0-)
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    you can get passed, but you have no way of getting a bill like the President's passed?  

    Do you forgo what you call the "weaker" bill, and keep minimum wages where they are?  Is that what you would have preferred in Maryland?  

    •  Umm... (4+ / 0-)
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      Let's look at something.

      The Maryland Senate has 35 Democrats and 12 Republicans. That's about 3 to 1.

      The House of Delegates has 97 Democrats and 43 Republicans. That's over 2:1.

      The Democrats, in other words, have only themselves to blame for bad legislation or the failure to pass good legislation.

      An your point about "providing cover" shows a complete failure to understand politics or bargaining (which politics so often is at its core). National Democrats need to win over Republicans for their legislation to pass. The Maryland Democrats do not. If the Maryland Democrats pass a bill raising the minimum wage to $11, $12, or $13 an hour, the national Democrats' plan looks like a "compromise" plan. If the bluest of the blue states can only pass $10.10, that becomes the left bound of discussion and is thus DOA.

    •  If that's the best and entirely Democratic (2+ / 0-)
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      state government can do, our Party is fucking broken.

      I know it doesn't seem that way to people who aren't workers or who don't at least identify with us, but any Democrats who can't support a living wage when there are no Republicans to stop them ought not be called Democrats any longer.

      Everyone should read the response to the hiddens once a day. They'll find the same trolls jumping on corpses and squealing with glee over and over.

      by JesseCW on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 07:02:29 AM PDT

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      •  So a Democrat has to be as progressive (1+ / 0-)
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        as the most progressive people here?  

        Do you really think that all elected officials with a "D" behind their name must toe the party line on everything?  

        Some Democrats may well see the need for an increase in the minimum wage but also see the need -- for example -- to protect small businesses, and to allow companies to hire teenagers at a slightly lower cost for summer jobs, for example (the 85% for six months or less).  Does that make them traitors?  Does that mean you want to kick them out of the party?  

        Just like Republicans have different factions and there needs to be some negotiation among the party if they are to get anything passed with a "Republican majority" (see, e.g., the House) Democrats also have different factions and need to negotiate within their party to get things passed even when they have a majority of people in a body with a "D" behind their name.  

        •  No, a Democrat has to actually give a fuck (3+ / 0-)
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          whether their waitress can afford to eat and buy her kid school supplies.

          A Democrat has to be smart enough to understand that even if they come from a soft middle-class upbringing and have never known want, many a teen is actually supporting themselves or helping to support their family on that minimum wage job.

          It's not Richie Cunningham at dad's store for prom money, most of the time.

          There is no part of letting people who have no idea what it is to live on minimum wage opine about what those damn poor people should be settling for that has any place in a working peoples party, and this party has no hope of ever taking Congress again except as a party that serves poor and working people first.

          Everyone should read the response to the hiddens once a day. They'll find the same trolls jumping on corpses and squealing with glee over and over.

          by JesseCW on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 08:02:06 AM PDT

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          •  Wow. So this is not a step forward for people who (0+ / 0-)

            support a minimum wage increase to $10.10?  

            If someone gives you MOST, but not all, of what you want, is not worth anything?  

            If they support a bill that's most of what you want, but not 100% everything you want, you call them out as HURTING things rather than supporting a step forward giving you most of what you want?  

            Seriously?  

            •  This isn't even close, let alone "most", and (4+ / 0-)
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              it's not about wants, it's about needs.

              You're effectively a straight person insisting gay people should thrilled with limited civil unions.

              It's not your place.  But inside the pervasive bubble of economic privilege that shapes all discussion here, I don't expect to have much company in calling you out on it.

              Everyone should read the response to the hiddens once a day. They'll find the same trolls jumping on corpses and squealing with glee over and over.

              by JesseCW on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 08:14:20 AM PDT

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            •  Cost of living varies by a factor of 2.5 within US (0+ / 0-)

              For example, Dothan, AL to Manhattan.  That an official figure that is is probably understated.  

              There is much room for local minimum wage rates higher than the national rate.

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