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  •  As we keep hearing from people who make nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    near the minimum wage and who aren't impacted one way or the other.

    Everyone should read the response to the hiddens once a day. They'll find the same trolls jumping on corpses and squealing with glee over and over.

    by JesseCW on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 07:04:07 AM PDT

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    •  And what do the working poor tell you? (2+ / 0-)
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      That they'll be happy to keep waiting?

      Dick Cheney 2/14/10: "I was a big supporter of waterboarding"

      by Bob Love on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 07:07:00 AM PDT

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      •  I am the working poor. I don't have to go ask (2+ / 0-)
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        someone else.

        If "the working poor" were a "they" instead of a "we" for me, I suppose I'd see the merit in arguing that Democrats with complete control of a state government should be very very careful to avoid actually using the power voters entrusted to them for the benefit of those voters.

        This isn't a debate about whether Democrats in the Senate should pass even a 9.00 minimum wage if they can get it through the House without selling out on other issues to such a degree that they do more harm than good.

        They actually have to negotiate with Republicans.

        This is a debate about whether far less than a living wage ought to be the goal when Democrats control a whole state.

        Everyone should read the response to the hiddens once a day. They'll find the same trolls jumping on corpses and squealing with glee over and over.

        by JesseCW on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 08:12:11 AM PDT

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        •  MN State democratic lawmakers (0+ / 0-)

          Don't look at the minimum wage from a 'have not' point of view. Many of them own companies, both large and small. They look at the wages with an owner's eyes, and a legislator's need to keep the peace with both sides. I have given it some thought since last week when it was pretty certain, and at first look couldn't see why they didn't go for $10.10. People in jobs making $10 now will expect raises to keep them that same distance ahead. In the bigger cities $10.10 will probably be the prevailing starting pay, but in smaller local economies $8.00 is better for starting. People here get raises. My understanding is that tipped labor gets a better deal here too.
          What scares me is having all those people with more money than I have each month that I will be competing with for goods and services. Raising minimum wage will give Social Security less purchasing power.

    •  Minnesota has the 4th lowest poverty rate (3+ / 0-)
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      The minimum wage isn't the whole story.  One reason it hasn't been a huge issue is that most people aren't stuck in minimum wage jobs over the long term.  On the other hand, we do healthcare and education and stuff that makes the folks able to get and retain better jobs.

      I figure it's a lot more important for Democrats in my state to be strong on supporting Obamacare, Minnesota Care, Medicaid, tuition support, aid to education, than falling on their swords on this issue.

      •  What imaginary swords are these? (3+ / 0-)

        You keep arguing that passing an actual living wage is just a crazy idea, and that therefore it's necessary to fall short of that goal.

        You don't actually demonstrate a downside to passing one.

        Everyone should read the response to the hiddens once a day. They'll find the same trolls jumping on corpses and squealing with glee over and over.

        by JesseCW on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 08:06:10 AM PDT

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        •  The downside is overreaching and losing control (1+ / 0-)
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          of the legislature on an issue that isn't as important in Minnesota as it may well be in states with higher unemployment, less economic mobility, and a poor population which has become an entrenched underclass.

          A living wage in California is not the same as a living wage in the middle west and a living wage in the middle west isn't the same as a living wage in the south.  I don't know that a national minimum wage is particularly equitable and in fact least equitable for those living on the coasts.  

          If Democrats hold out for a minimum wage sufficient for people in CA and NY, that's going to do nothing for folks in Alabama and Mississippi because they'll never get it through Congress.  Which brings up the question, do they even want to get it through Congress?    

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