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  •  I'm going to have to call this post out as (0+ / 0-)

    BS Kos. You're absolutely right, money is definitely not determinative, if you are defining that as 100% success for the higher congressional spender.

    But in 2010 the candidate that spent the most money won
    85% of the time in the House
    and 83% in the senate

    in 2008:
    93% house
    86% sennate

    2006
    94% house
    73% senate

    2004
    98% house
    88% senate

    For a grand average of 87.5% of the time between 2004 and 2010.

    But sure 9 out of 10 means nothing when you can site two anecdotal examples.

    There is no way to justify the bribery and corruption that is our elections process.

    "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

    by Auburn Parks on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 03:39:20 PM PDT

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      "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

      by Auburn Parks on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 03:39:53 PM PDT

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    •  Those numbers are misleading (1+ / 0-)
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      How many House races are really competitive?

      Most donors will back candidates if they think there is a chance of winning.  If a district usually votes 60% to the Republican candidate, no one is going to waste money trying to elect a Democrat there.

      You have to look at competitive races in swing districts to see how much money really affects elections.

      •  No you're right all is well and good having (0+ / 0-)

        bribery be our political process.

        "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

        by Auburn Parks on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 05:38:18 PM PDT

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    •  Well, that possibly reflects the fact (1+ / 0-)
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      that incumbents get pretty good at raising dough and there is a huge inertia in the electorate. Incumbents are favored because, absent any rationale to the contrary, if you voted the incumbent last time, you're likely to assume that your judgment is still pretty keen and rather than tell yourself you were wrong last time, you vote for the incumbent again. So showing that correlation doesn't necessarily prove anything. A more telling test, IMO, would be open elections without an incumbent running. If your thesis were correct, the candidate with more money would win 85% of the time. So what's the data say?

      Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

      by Anne Elk on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 05:32:39 PM PDT

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      •  Are you trying to make an argument that having (0+ / 0-)

        politicans beg rich people for donations is OK?

        Because it sounds like to me you are rationalizing what I pointed out.

        Is money determinative?

        Is bribery a good elections policy for society?

        I don't really care about the numbers for or against the first because the second is far more important.

        "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

        by Auburn Parks on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 05:41:18 PM PDT

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        •  I have no argument with your sentiments (0+ / 0-)

          but with your assertion of causality based on your quotation of some numbers about re-election. Correlation is not cause. There's no point in blustering about it.

          Voting is the means by which the public is distracted from the realities of power and its exercise.

          by Anne Elk on Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 10:20:08 PM PDT

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          •  Its simply a data point. It is true that since2004 (0+ / 0-)

            87.5% of all candidates who spent more money have won. So what are you blustering on about?

            You seem to think that data point is either irrelevant or misleading.

            "The Earth is my country and Science my religion" Christiaan Huygens. The gold standard ended on August 15, 1971, its time we start acting like it. If we can afford full employment killing Germans, we can afford full employment during peace-time.

            by Auburn Parks on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 05:30:17 AM PDT

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