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  •  well, cats are smart (23+ / 0-)

    I love to watch our cat's brain at work, seeing it figuring out that it is more efficient to attack the hand connected to the worm/snake (string) tormenting it or otherwise plotting a route to get to somewhere seemingly inaccessible.

    On the other hand, a cat's view of the universe is probably cat-centric rather than heliocentric or geocentric. I know that when it rains out, our cat does express the belief that it is our fault.

    Note that up to 1/5th of US/European humans, by some estimates, hold geocentric belief systems:
    http://rationalwiki.org/...

    •  This underscores how poorly we educate (10+ / 0-)

      our kids in science, even in solidly secular school systems that teach science with nary a thought to zap creation, etc.

      People have sat in class for decades memorizing and spitting back what they're told to spit back, but their takeaway is that science is something Others do, rather than something we do every day of our lives from uterus to grave; that because Others do it, we are stuck taking on faith what They tell us, confused because what They tell us changes with each new study; and anyone who can supplant our trust in those Others can supplant our trust in science and our belief in at least some established facts.

      Spend a few decades and a few billion$$ dedicatedly supplanting that trust and voila! you start winning the belief wars and fashioning citizens who'll let you get away with completely destroying the environment, public education, etc., etc., etc.

      Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

      by raincrow on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 09:10:09 AM PDT

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      •  Even in Germany/EU? (1+ / 0-)
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        I'm hesitant to blame anything uniquely American for this stuff because we seem to do better than our peers in Germany, the UK, or the EU.

        •  I expect Germany still streams students into (0+ / 0-)

          career tracks (university vs trades), and my bet is that this exacerbates science ignorance among the kids who don't make it into the university stream.

          We have to start with little kids, showing them that they use an informal version of the scientific method every time they acquire a new ability and suss out all its dimensions-- how to test if something is very hot without burning yourself, how to walk across ice without slipping, the mechanics of Jenga, how to pump and damp a swing, on and on and on -- demystify the scientific method; then make sure, as we teach more formal science, that we really do show them how the more sophisticated stuff is done so they understand that it may be complicated and expensive to do, but it is no more magic or "belief" than the physics they've learned in their everyday lives. It will then be harder to convince them that science is elitest and suspicious.

          Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

          by raincrow on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 06:27:42 PM PDT

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          •  The UK only stopped streaming kids relatively (0+ / 0-)

            recently.

            Here in my area it's not rigidly institutionalized as it is in Germany, but it's definitely done. In my East TN county, the difference in curriculum, class offerings, and teacher quality between elementary schools separated by only 10 miles appalls me. The "country" kids' school is scholastically primitive compared to the "town" kids' school. And in the adjoining county, even the kids know the bright middle schoolers go to school A and the "dumb" ones are shuffled off to school B. Pisses me off.

            Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

            by raincrow on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 06:42:54 PM PDT

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