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  •  Really? That's your answer? (0+ / 0-)

    We can only ask why kids try to kill when they're not successful?  When they are successful we have to focus on the weapon and not the root cause?

    I would say you have even less of a luxury to avoid finding the root cause when the kid brings guns to school.  Because there is no way to ever get rid of all the guns, some kid will always, somewhere, be able to get their hands on one.

    So again, you show the bias.
    Knife:  Okay, everyone relax, let's look at why this happened, what were the warning signs, how do we catch these kids before tragedy strikes.

    Gun:  Oh my god, we have to ban all the guns, and not think about anything else.

    You don't see the error in that?

    •  Yeah, that's what I said. (2+ / 0-)

      I think you've got a little of your own bias showing there, Norm.

      I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

      by coquiero on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 02:02:16 PM PDT

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      •  Did I misread your post? (0+ / 0-)
        Do you think we would have the same luxury if the young man had brought two guns to school?
        Yes, you would have the same "luxury" to ask why a child chose to kill if he'd used a gun instead of a knife.  Can you clarify why you think we wouldn't?
        •  Because he'd most likely be dead (1+ / 0-)
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          from his gun.  It takes a lot of willpower to slice your own throat and nothing but a finger pull to blow your brains out.

          The perpetrator here is still alive and can answer some questions, undergo some testing, get PET scans to find out why.

          Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

          by PsychoSavannah on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 05:18:14 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, okay (0+ / 0-)

            So if Adam Lanza hadn't killed himself, there wouldn't have been dozens of diaries blaming the gun, and instead there would have been dozens of diaries blaming Lanza himself and debating the result of his police interrogation.  If you say so.

            But the comment I was responding to said there couldn't be ANY investigation into why a child killed with a gun.  So I guess we depend on these stabbing sprees to get to the bottom of this, because police work where the killer is dead is just impossible.  Good to know.

            •  That's just silly. There is an investigation (1+ / 0-)
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              into ALL of these sprees.  Every one.  With doctors, and scientists, and psychologists, and counselors trying to figure out why they happen and how to stop them.

              There is a difference with this one: 20 people injured, not killed.  This little bastard had to work for his destruction, not just pull an easy trigger on a piece of machinery made solely for killing.  And he is alive....we can ask him questions and learn more about what drives people to do these kinds of things.  That makes the investigation just a little easier.

              Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

              by PsychoSavannah on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 07:45:26 PM PDT

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    •  Norm - come on. Almost everyone (1+ / 0-)
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      STILL wants to know why the Newtown murdered did what he did.  Months of investigation trying to find out why.

      The Peducah kid was questioned to find out why.

      We all want to know why they do it.  What makes them go over the edge?  That the kid in this particular tragedy is still alive makes that possible.  Most of the others blew their brains out with their gun.

      Listening to the NRA on school safety is like listening to the tobacco companies on cigarette safety. (h/t nightsweat)

      by PsychoSavannah on Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 05:16:45 PM PDT

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      •  Fair enough, I looked into the Paducah shooter (1+ / 0-)
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        Michael Carneal.   After the shooting he was diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic and plead guilty due to mental illness.  He was locked up and heavily medicated.

        His lawyers said he was too insane at the time of his trial to be of any assistance or understand court proceedings.  And "it took years for medications to reduce the severity of his mental illness to the point that he could discuss the hallucinations he was having at the time of the shooting and the plea".

        Carneal wrote in a letter from prison that he had wanted to bring a gun to kindergarten and shoot classmates.  That he had a special psychic power to see monsters under his bed.
        "I still see the people and hands coming out from underneath my bed, but I'm better able to realize that they are not really there," Carneal wrote in December 2002. "I can tell you incident after incident in which I saw, heard, felt, smelt or even tasted things that weren't really there."

        He also admitted lying to psychologists "during their interviews for what (Carneal) thought was his own safety".

        In 1998 he said he killed because he had been teased, because he had talked big and made threats and "They'll hate me even more, he thought, if I don't produce".

        That's all the explanation he's offered.  He was teased, and he's a natural born killer.  Given the massive amount of psychoactive medications, his lawyers testimony and Carneal's own admissions that he lied, there's really no way of knowing what is true and what is fiction.  What was real and what was imagined.

        With all that, I'm not sure the explanations given by Carneal are worth much.  What's the takeaway lesson?  Do we lock up every teenager who is teased or claims to be alienated?  That's the vast majority of all teenagers.

        To me, the main lesson out of Paducah is that numerous warning signs were ignored or dismissed.  Plenty of other witnesses gave a better account of what actually happened than Michael Carneal himself did.

        I don't think we'd be much closer to knowing why Newton happened if Lanza was still alive.

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