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  •  The Ceiling of (2+ / 0-)
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    fhcec, carrps

    the Sistine chapel was controversial at one point, too.  Heck, I can  remember hearing about a painting by an impressionist painter that depicted a group of people having a picnic that was considered shocking and was condemned the first time it was shown.  Why?  Because the woman at the center of the painting was looking at directly the artist rather than looking at the other people depicted in the painting. Art wouldn't be art if it wasn't controversial, especially when it takes on politcal topics.

    •  Manet -- Le Dejeuner sur l'herbe (sp?) (2+ / 0-)
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      anon004, sidnora

      She was also nekkid, and all the men were clothed.

    •  My post wasn't about it being controversial. (0+ / 0-)

      Did you even read the link? Or are you blind to what it says? Let me repeat it for you:

      In 1984, Hortense J. Spillers published her critical article, "Interstices: A Small Drama of Words," wherein she critiques Judy Chicago and the "Dinner Party," asserting that, as a White woman, Chicago recreates the erasure of the Black feminine sexual self. Spillers calls to her defense the place setting of Sojourner Truth, the only Black woman of color. After thorough review, it can be seen that all of the place settings depict uniquely designed vaginas, except for Sojourner Truth. The place setting of Sojourner Truth is depicted by three faces, rather than a vagina. Spillers writes, "The excision of the female genitalia here is a symbolic castration. By effacing the genitals, Chicago not only abrogates the disturbing sexuality of her subject, but also hopes to suggest that her sexual being did not exist to be denied in the first place..."
      Also, a little further down,
      Other feminists have disagreed with the main idea of this work because it shows a universal female experience, which many argue does not exist. For example, lesbians and women of ethnicities other than white and European are not well represented in the work.
      There's a message in there for people who are willing to be intellectually honest.
      •  "Did you even read the link? Or (0+ / 0-)

        are you blind to what it says?"

        I read the link, so no need to quote it to me.  I am also under no obligation to agree with what the article says.  And just because I don't agree with someone's opinion, doesn't mean I'm either blind or intellectually dishonest.  

        For example, My opinion is that Sojourner Truth's place setting is not depicted as a vagina could simply have meant Ms. Chicago made a choice not to do so with a woman of color because she knew that women of color have historically been reduced to nothing more than their sexuality and reproductive value, even more so than European women.

        As far as the universal female existence, one, I'm not sure the work presents itself as that, and, two, there are some nearly universal aspects to women's experience across time and cultures.  One being what started this discussion -- anonymity and the devaluing of female accomplishments and contributions.  

        Intellectually honest enough to meet your standards, now?

        This is all part of the discussion of a work of art, what is means, what its flaws are, its context in the era it was produced, etc.  No need to get so testy.  Sheesh.

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