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  •  Punching you for real would be illegal. (0+ / 0-)

    Punching you metaphorically would get me TR'd by an army of bespectacled, unemployed hipsters wearing Rand Paul buttons.

    •  You sound pretty tough... (2+ / 0-)
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      angel d, Shotput8

      for someone hiding under his bed.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 05:07:30 PM PDT

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      •  You're right. I'm terrified. (0+ / 0-)

        Oh please government, protect me.  I'm fragile.

        My opinion of Snowden must mean that I secretly pine for the Stasi to watch over me.

        •  Cognitive dissonance, then. (3+ / 0-)
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          You can't reconcile your "feelings" about Snowden and how "mean" he was to the president and the US, with the notion that his actions were, indeed, truly patriotic.

          Understandable, a lot of people on this site have the same problem.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 06:40:42 PM PDT

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          •  I judge his actions based on his (0+ / 0-)

            motivations.  Sometimes, people I don't like do things in a way that I disagree, with results that may even be a net positive.

            If that person's actions were motivated by something other than than pure self-sacrificing altruism, say, a political agenda, or a pathological need for attention and admiration.

            Bradley Manning exposed US atrocities.  Good.

            Bradley Manning leaked thousands of confidential cables.  Bad.

            One could argue either way whether it was a net positive.   But, the context and the mindset matter.  He made the leak right shortly after punching a female soldier in the face and having a nervous breakdown.

            His messages to his Wikileaks contact are full of cries for help having nothing to do with what he is leaking.  His behavior was erratic, his psyche completely out of whack due to gender and sexuality issues plus a stew of personality and mood disorders.

            So, hero?  Ehhhh.  Hypothetical: if I run for President to be rich and powerful, but do good things while in office, all the while caring only for my image and not really what I've been doing that is good, and it was possible for you to know that, would you consider me a patriotic, morally courageous individual?  No, you'd call me a colossal fake, even if my actions were good.

            Same with Snowden.  He may have done some good, though I have reservations about it the manner and extent of his actions.  But, having reviewed his personal history and observed his behavior, I see him personally  
            as pathologically narcissistic and attention-seeking.  When I speak ill of him, it is a total non-sequitur to come out and "wah, wah, you're killing the messenger!"  

            No.  I just don't like the messenger.  My thoughts on the NSA program are far more nuanced.

            There's my 'cognitive dissonance' laid bare.  

            •  Okay... (2+ / 0-)
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              Don midwest, Shotput8
              I judge his actions based on his...motivations.
              His "motivations" being what, exactly?
              Sometimes, people I don't like do things in a way that I disagree, with results that may even be a net positive.
              Right, "sniveling weasels" do good things sometimes, but they are, after all, "sniveling weasels," which is the most important thing.
              If that person's actions were motivated by something other than than pure self-sacrificing altruism, say, a political agenda, or a pathological need for attention and admiration.
              Indeed, what better way to fulfill such needs than to throw away his previous life and trade it for one in exile? That'd be my first choice.
              Bradley Manning exposed US atrocities. Good. [...]
              Let's stick to Snowden, the subject of this diary, shall we?
              Hypothetical: if I run for President to be rich and powerful, but do good things while in office, all the while caring only for my image and not really what I've been doing that is good, and it was possible for you to know that, would you consider me a patriotic, morally courageous individual? No, you'd call me a colossal fake, even if my actions were good.
              Actions speak louder than words, except to those for whom personality is the primary factor in the forming of opinions, such as yourself, apparently.
              Same with Snowden. He may have done some good, though I have reservations about it the manner and extent of his actions. But, having reviewed his personal history and observed his behavior, I see him personally as pathologically narcissistic and attention-seeking.
              Strikingly similar to the views held by Government/NSA apologists, so you're in good company, I suppose.
              When I speak ill of him, it is a total non-sequitur to come out and "wah, wah, you're killing the messenger!"
              Exactly, because your ad hominem "speaking ill of him" is clearly the superior argument, and it doesn't follow that someone would counter by pointing out your attempts at character assassination.
              No. I just don't like the messenger.
              Fine, just don't expect people to refrain from letting you know how they feel about your "not liking the messenger."
              My thoughts on the NSA program are far more nuanced.
              I'm sure they are. Perhaps you'll expand on those thoughts for us, someday.




              Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

              by DeadHead on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:13:08 PM PDT

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              •  So let's sum this up. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm "afraid."

                And you feel tiny, powerless, and oppressed.

                •  Sure... (0+ / 0-)

                  If that makes it easier for you to avoid actually responding to my comment, I'll play along.

                  I'm fine with my position on Snowden and his disclosures. Your assessment of that position is about as important to me as mine, of yours, is to you.




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:57:40 AM PDT

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