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  •  Dude, (2+ / 0-)
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    Ellid, Garrett

    It was snark.

    •  Irony does not work well on the internet. (6+ / 0-)

      You need a tag. :)

      I don't like movies but the spouse is a retired professor of film studies, so I have some interest.

      The title alone is interesting. The two parts would naturally be read by Cons as an antagonistic pairing -- two parties in a contest. That's because, IMHO, Cons are binary thinkers who see everything as opposites and, although they are very fond of hierarchy, subordinate or modifying phrases don't register. It would not occur to them that Captain America and the Winter Soldier are one and the same. So, if there aren't two antagonists in the movie, they'll come away confused. They will be like Rumsfeld with his "unknown knowns." Somebody knows, but he doesn't. It may even be that his subconscious knows, but he doesn't.

      Why can people like Rumsfeld be deceived by people like Snowden?  Because Rumsfelds don't see people as they are. They see them as they imagine them to be, reflections of their unknown selves.

      by hannah on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 12:23:59 AM PDT

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      •  That's very perceptive (4+ / 0-)

        I think it's a general human proclivity to project our subjective selves onto others. One that can only be overcome by conscious effort and experience.

        Conservatism, by it's nature, looks backward rather than forward. It embraces stasis and rejects change. It is closed rather than open. It assumes that it has all the answers, so it asks no questions. Indeed, it is hostile to the very act of questioning received "truths" since its entire raison d'etre is to enshrine such as unshakable and enternal.

        Given this, it is unlikely that conservatives would ever interrogate their own motives or their judgement of others.  

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 02:50:14 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, Glenn Beck's website LOVED it (9+ / 0-)

        Seriously.  The big difference is that they think it's about the Obama administration, not a big, fat bitch slap directed at the entire US intelligence apparatus, from Operation Paperclip on down.

        This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

        by Ellid on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 06:53:52 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I can't detect snark online anymore... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...if I ever could in the first place.

        Join Essa in a revolt against the gods. Continue the fight, Causality.

        by rbird on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:06:25 AM PDT

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      •  There is a Buddhist koan on that (1+ / 0-)
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        that also has a Western version.

        A layman asked the Master, "What is the difference between the enlightened and the unenlightened man?"

        The Master replied, "The unenlightened man sees a difference, but the enlightened man does not."

        This also appears as Dogen Zenji's response to the koan of Nansen's Cat, known as Cutting the Cat in One, that is, not being trapped into the rages of other people. Within the original koan, this appears in the form of Nansen's disciple Joshu putting his sandals on his head. Do not be caught up in the form of the action. The point is to step outside duality, in this case the monks' original argument over the cat, to see and express their unity. Any clear and courageous word or act of Zen will do. Try it. Doing it wrong and seeking to learn more is better than doing nothing.


        There are two kinds of people: those who divide people into two kinds, and those who do not.
        So when we look at people who say, "Every man for himself, and the Devil take the hindmost," and those who say, "We are all in this together," do we treat them as Them and Us, or just as Us?

        It takes a great deal of effort to turn children, who are endlessly inquisitive and don't care who you are, into racists, bigots, misogynists, and other such troublemakers. Being able to see clearly that All Humans are Created Equal gives us our best shot at overcoming that problem.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:38:41 AM PDT

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