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  •  I was responding to your complaint about (3+ / 0-)
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    encouraging procreation.

    Whoever is encouraging it, North Americans and Europeans are not listening.

    Therefore, you can be happy? Or no?

    The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any. -Alice Walker

    by LibrErica on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 10:13:50 AM PDT

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    •  Usually happy, tend to be my ground state (1+ / 0-)
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      unless I'm angry

    •  Not listening isnt the same as having absolute (9+ / 0-)

      reproductive self determination.

      A woman should not be tried for fornication by a church, especially if she is not a member.

      And yet--what happens? Their laws are put upon us as if we give a flying fart in the wind what they believe outside of their church and home.

      Defunding of Planned Parenthood
      Laws that attempt or succeed in removing informed consent of female patients.
      Conscience clauses that allow individuals to refuse to fill perscriptions, or administer treatments,

      State Sanctioned stalking and harassment of doctors and nurses and  sometimes patients at family planning clinics.

      Did you miss that whole thing on Equal Pay?

      The alienation myth has created deep fissures in female society, damaging every aspect of our lives.

      They talk about their rights while we still have to argue that we are human and deserving of rights.

      "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

      by GreenMother on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:20:54 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think I suggested that (0+ / 0-)

        because the birth rate is below replacement level on two continents, that therefore women have now achieved full equality. I made no such statement.  

        I was pointing out how little anyone pays attention to what the pope advises, or what Catholic doctrine is, and I said it because I was responding quite specifically to a discrete statement about the pope encouraging procreation.

        But if you'd like to discuss other topics related to family planning, reproductive choice, equal protection under the law or etc., that is swell by me.

        The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any. -Alice Walker

        by LibrErica on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 12:37:03 PM PDT

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        •  you minimized a very large and very serious (1+ / 0-)
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          set of issues (Women's Equal-Human Rights) by flippantly suggesting that a low birth rate was proof that their crap wasn't working and therefor, we (women) are not being affected.

          Women are being affected.

          "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

          by GreenMother on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 03:25:02 PM PDT

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          •  I pointed out that the Pope's encouragement (0+ / 0-)

            about procreation has minimal to no effect on a macro scale in North America and Europe.

            If you read it as anything more than that, I can't help you.

            I think it's a fairly pointless thing to complain about when the people it's historically been directed at are ignoring it completely, based on the evidence of the birth rate. AND when there are plenty of other things that have a real effect on women that could be complained about.

            In order to communicate effectively, you have to take what people say at face value, especially in a medium like this.

            But if you don't want to communicate effectively (ie. actually understand what other people are saying and respond to it meaningfully), if you just want to use whatever opportunity you find to jump on your soapbox and respond however you wish, no one can stop you.

            It's not a great way to achieve anything except a fleeting feeling of superiority, when you and I have the same goals (I assume) of equality for all, not that you would know this, since you choose to respond to thoughts in your head instead of things that I have said.

            The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any. -Alice Walker

            by LibrErica on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:02:38 AM PDT

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            •  The pope's policies regarding procreation have a (0+ / 0-)

              direct effect on Catholic hospital policy here in the US with regards to emergency contraception, abortion and birth control, and it can negatively affect treatment options for gravid women with high risk pregnancies, and rape survivors.

              The pope's policy also trickles down to individual doctors, and can and has emboldened anti-choice crackpots to follow suit.

              Religion might not be monolithic, but the Catholic Church sure is. And we in the states are dealing directly with push back from that Sect on a daily basis with regards to women's reproductive self determination.

              Women might not listen, but that doesn't mean they have full access for any number of reasons, many of which can be traced directly back to religious extremists blocking access to comprehensive medical care for a woman at every stage of her life, but most especially during her child bearing years.

              "It were a thousand times better for the land if all Witches, but especially the blessing Witch, might suffer death." qtd by Ehrenreich & English. For Her Own Good, Two Centuries of Expert's Advice to Women pp 40

              by GreenMother on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:32:30 AM PDT

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