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  •  "Old Testament" is offensive because (1+ / 0-)
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    it embodies the Christian theological view that the so-called New Testament supersedes the Hebrew Bible.

    "Drips with blood" is a gross overstatement.

    Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

    by another American on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 10:46:41 AM PDT

      •  I didn't say "no blood." (1+ / 0-)
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        Nor is it a matter of speculating on numbers and adding them up. The text does, or in this case does not, "drip with blood" according to what it actually says. If you read the text, you'll find some blood-dripping passages and many more that don't.

        Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

        by another American on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:17:54 AM PDT

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        •  I say a whole lot of blood (2+ / 0-)
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          OldDragon, Prinny Squad

          Most of humanity in one fell swoop.

          so many crimes punishable by death

          the killing of the first born [as if they had any say in the events]

          For a god that says

          Thou shall not kill

          There is an awful lot of killing for not obeying or for merely just getting in the way

          •  No retraction or apology for "Old Testament"? (0+ / 0-)

            Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

            by another American on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:33:36 AM PDT

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            •  Why, its common usage (1+ / 0-)
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              If I refer to the Torah or Judaism in general I will so state.

              I refer to the one in the bible and its title in the bible as used by Christians.

              •  Precisely my point. "Old Testament" embodies a (0+ / 0-)

                theologically antisemitic message--anti-Judaic, if you prefer--namely that Christianity has superseded Judaism.

                Using "Old Testament" is insensitive and offensive to Jewish feelings. The expression "to Jew down" also is a common usage, at least in some parts of the country, and no less offensive for that fact.

                But perhaps you don't care.

                Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

                by another American on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:47:01 AM PDT

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                •  I tend not to bother too much with (0+ / 0-)

                  religious sensibilities as you can probably tell, one I regard them as irrelevant and two, if I took them all into consideration the footnotes would go on for pages

                  If you are insulted I apologize, there was no intent to insult on a personal level.

                •  On the other hand (0+ / 0-)

                  Bashing Christianity here is quite popular - bashing Judaism, not so much. Perhaps this is one of those times when it is a positive, rather than a negative, for the the content to be Christian-centric.

                  “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

                  by Catte Nappe on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:58:55 AM PDT

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                •  From the Christian perspective, the books of the (1+ / 0-)
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                  Jewish Bible are the Old Testament and the New Testament is an addendum. Christians do believe that Christianity has superseded Judaism, in that Christianity has brought the word of God to all of humankind.
                     There is some debate about "replacement theology," the belief that the Christian covenant has replaced the old covenant between God and the Jewish people. Some believe that it has, while some Christians think that the Jewish people still have some sort of "Chosen People" role.

                  •  Which, since LaFeminista professes NOT to be (0+ / 0-)

                    writing "from the Christian perspective" just shows how that paradigm can affect people within the culture without their knowledge. That said, someone not intending to assert the theological point should, if she wants to avoid unintentionally giving offense, avoid the term.

                    Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

                    by another American on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 10:17:09 AM PDT

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          •  The text doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill." (1+ / 0-)
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            Biblical Hebrew, like modern English, uses different words for killing (harag) and murder (ratzah. The sixth commandment--to use, since we're discussing the Hebrew Bible, the Jewish numbering of the 10 words--thus reads: "You shall not murder."

            Treating the Hebrew Bible as a literary work, it's should be reasonably clear to those without an ax to grind, that, taken as a whole, dripping with blood is not an accurate characterization. Please note that I am not trying to defend the morality of the text, merely trying to understand it.

            Shalom v' salaam; peace and wholeness

            by another American on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 11:43:29 AM PDT

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            •  the way Christians [and my lot were lapsed (0+ / 0-)

              Lutherans] red the bible is old and new testaments and disregard a few books Luther didn't like much in the new bit.

              Its the way Christians see the bible.

              I'm a Buddhist [non theist variety] but that should not mean anything to anyone but myself.

              I have stopped reading religious texts as I find them of little use.

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