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  •  I Am So Weary of Keystone - (2+ / 0-)
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    Davidsfr, AlexDrew

    What a profoundly quixotic adventure -
    And to sacrifice the Senate, too.

    I grant you that Mary Landrieu is no Bernie Sanders - -
    But then again, Bernie Sanders would never get elected in Louisiana.
    And Landrieu's GOP replacement would make Vitter look liberal.

    You know, you can get coke and meth anywhere in North America.
    Both are illegal to produce and to distribute -
    but there's a market and big profits doing so.

    Alberta oil sands oil is legal to produce and distribute.
    (Even though there are many who would like to make it illegal)
    The Alberta government is hardly likely to stop production.
    The opposition party in Alberta is to the RIGHT of the Conservatives.
    And Justin Trudeau came out in support of Alberta oil.
    So the Canadian federal government will support it.

    Would it be better to ship Alberta oil by rail?
    Because that's what's happening right now.
    And it is even more carbon intensive than pipelines.
    Or would it be better to ship via the Hudson Bay -
    Because Manitoba and Saskatchewan are considering that route.
    Or the Arctic via the MacKenzie Valley?

    Alberta oil will reach the market.
    Perhaps at greater cost both in dollars and carbon -
    But it will get to market.

    Meanwhile Keystone becomes an albatross for red state Dem senators -
    And the Senate flips Republican.


    •  So, if the Canadians want it so much why don't (2+ / 0-)
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      bobatkinson, Creosote

      they build a pipeline east or west on Canadian lands?

      Why do we have to deal with the toxic waste produced by the refining this tar sand bitumen?

      Don't we already have enough pet-coke in our environment causing lung disease and cancer in our American neighborhoods?

      Why should we take all the risk and receive no benefits at all?

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 03:34:34 PM PDT

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      •  They Are and They Will - (1+ / 0-)
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        Sybil Liberty

        Although the Northern Gateway pipeline thru BC is onhold, Kinder Morgan is expanding its Trans Mountain pipeline capacity to Vancouver and Puget Sound. And unit trains are heading west. BC's Premier CLark has been pimping Alberta's Premier Redford - basically for more money. Alberta is flush and BC has a huge deficit.

        As for eastward transport, Enbridge is on target to reverse the direction of Line 9 with refining capacity in Quebec and port facilities in New Brunswick. Plus the unit trains, too. Both Quebec and NB are looking at the financial gains of Alberta oil, too - like BC.

        Keystone XL is just one small part of the expansion of Alberta oil production.

      •  They are (1+ / 0-)
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        "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

        by Lefty Coaster on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:47:59 PM PDT

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    •  Nevertheless, we have to halt the pipeline. (1+ / 0-)
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      We need to ensure that the carbon stays in the ground as much as possible. If forcing a reroute of the pipeline results in increased production costs, then that will be a small step in the right direction. It will shift the cost comparison slightly in the direction of non-carbon energy sources. (I'm not saying that it will be sufficient in itself.)

      Stopping carbon pollution is more important than any other issue on the table. No, strike that. It is more important than ALL of the other issues on the table.

      If you know of a better way to accomplish that, which does not involve focusing on KXL, then please point us to it. I would like there to be a more effective approach than pounding my fists on the table and insisting that Democrats oppose KXL, but I honestly don't know what that approach would be.

      We are approaching a time when the window for political solutions to the carbon problem will close.

      •  I Could Not Disagree More - (0+ / 0-)

        Carbon is not the most important issue on the table - -
        Certainly not for me nor for the majority of folks.

        I am a lifelong progressive and environmental historian.
        I believe strongly that population, consumption, and habitat loss will have a faster and more profound environmental impact than any effects from increased CO2.

        Furthermore, with the ongoing decline in work and income in the developed world, a focus on carbon will result in increasing number of right-wing political victories - which will hardly advance the broader environmental program.

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