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  •  This isn't the Spain (8+ / 0-)

    that Orwell fought for.  His side lost and the fact that Generalissimo Franco is still dead doesn't mean that his side came out ahead in the end.

    More's the pity.

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:08:07 PM PDT

    •  Franco, dead? (5+ / 0-)
      the fact that Generalissimo Franco is still dead
      Isn't a fact at all.

      The carbon unit may be dead, but the evil lives on!

      "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

      by thanatokephaloides on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:12:22 PM PDT

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    •  the fascists in Spain are making a comeback (14+ / 0-)

      Still a ways to go, but no longer fringe

      "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

      by gjohnsit on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:19:48 PM PDT

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      •  No longer fringe in Europe and often (8+ / 0-)

        in league with Oligarchs. Which is to say: the usual.

        The founders and original board members of the John Birch Society, who's vision dominates the Republican Party, were mainly bankers and oil, if memory serves. And you'll notice we have, similar to Spain and even before it, those same 'it's a crime to protest near public officials' laws on the books now.

        When the Oceans rise, what's the plan for moving the nuke plants? Anyone?

        by Jim P on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:29:03 PM PDT

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      •  Often, the Fascists are the only viable party.. (4+ / 0-)

        ..opposing the Euro, and in doing so, represent the only hope for the working and middle-class.

        Who to blame for the rise of Fascism in the periphery?

        The "mainstream" parties that have turned their back on the working class, in large part b/c the ruling class in Greece and Spain care more about how it's perceived in Brussels than in Athens and Madrid.

        Frankly, we can't blame any citizen of the periphery for voting for a political party that promises to leave the EZ, regardless of other planks in its platform.

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project.

        by PatriciaVa on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:39:48 PM PDT

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        •  You can almost write the Greek tragedy now (10+ / 0-)

          How the mainstream left parties are so married to the hopeless Euro currency that they are unable to do the right thing and break from it.
             Because the mainstream left long ago colluded with the right-wing to crush the far-left, this leaves only the far-right to oppose the Euro.
            If the Euro continues to crush the European economies then there will be no alternative but to see a rise of fascism in Europe again.

          "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

          by gjohnsit on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 04:46:38 PM PDT

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          •  SYRIZA Party leading in latest polls (6+ / 0-)

            SYRIZA is leading over ruling New Democracy which is encouraging. However that Golden Dawn is 3rd is scary.

            Specifically, the opinion poll showed that SYRIZA is standing at 20.5% while New Democracy is at 19%. The newly formed party “Potami” (the river) and the ultra nationalist Golden Dawn place third with 10.5%. Elia (Olive Tree) movement comes forth with 7.5% followed by the Communist Party (KKE) with 6.5%, the Independent Greeks with 4.5%, Democratic Left with 2%,  Front of the Greek Anti-capitalist Left (ANTARSYA) with 1.5% and Ecologist Greens with 1%. The percentage of swing voters is rather high standing at 12.5%.

            As far as the local elections are concerned, SYRIZA is leading in Greek citizens’ preference with  22.5% followed by New Democracy with 21.5%. Golden Dawn is third with 11% while Potami comes forth with 8.5% followed by PASOK and KKE (6.5%), Independent Greeks (4.5%), Democratic Left (2%), ANTARSYA (2%) and Ecologist Greens (1%). Swing voters reach 11%.

      •  Synthesis of Left and Right (3+ / 0-)
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        as imagined by Robert Reich in his book Aftershock in the U.S. but an even more imminent possibility in countries in more dire economic straits.

           The platform of the Independence Party, as well as its message, is clear and uncompromising: zero tolerance of illegal immigrants; a freeze on legal immigration from Latin America, Africa and Asia; increased tariffs on all imports; a ban on American companies moving their operations to another country or outsourcing abroad; a prohibition on "sovereign wealth funds" investing in the United States. America will withdraw from the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, and the International Monetary Fund; end all "involvements" in foreign countries; refuse to pay any more interest on our debt to China, essentially defaulting on it; and stop trading with China until China freely floats its currency.

              Profitable companies will be prohibited from laying off workers and cutting payrolls. The federal budget must always be balanced. The Federal Reserve will be abolished.

              Banks will be allowed only to take deposits and make loans. Investment banking will be prohibited. Anyone found to have engaged in insider trading, stock manipulation, or securities fraud will face imprisonment for no less than ten years.

        The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

        by Wolf10 on Thu Apr 10, 2014 at 05:00:09 PM PDT

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    •  Orwell was allowed to leave. (1+ / 0-)
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      The P.O.U.M. are history.

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