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  •  Wouldn't there need to be a market of companies (0+ / 0-)

    providing courts? Otherwise what is a "court fee" but a tax? There's then the question of who regulates the courts. Democratic election? No, that's government, again. Elections  require taxes of some kind, perhaps voluntary taxes (a.k.a. "charity" or "philanthropism" depending on the amount). I guess if not enough funds are raised, there'll be no election that year. Capitalism is inherently anti-democratic, libertarian capitalism particularly so, despite the populist-style rhetoric.

    That's unless you'd trust ElectionCo, or whatever, to run all the elections. A market again. But where would the money come from? A poll tax? Ah, no taxes. A poll fee, then. So what would be a reasonable price for a vote?

    Unless you reject capitalism itself, "no taxes" means "no government, no non-profitable services and no elections". That's including voluntary taxes as above. Making taxes voluntary provides a means of coercion and thus corruption, but that's a different issue.

    •  Libertarians are NOT anarchists (1+ / 0-)
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      Libertarians believe in government, just very limited government. In their view both criminal and civil courts are one of the few functions of government they support. They like user fees, rather than taxes, to fund government services.  

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 11:14:27 AM PDT

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      •  Right. And if you don't have the "user fees" you (0+ / 0-)

        have no access. Libertarians apparently can't think past their illusions. Libertarians apparently don't want to be part of any community of people who are not doing well financially, emotionally, physically. Libertarians apparently do not believe in the idea of "the commons," thus, no support for national parks, national forests, public beaches, public schools, etc. Libertarian ideas will get us an Ayn Randian, Koch-brothers horrifying world that the corporatists are also moving us toward. As for public safety, safety would only be for those who have property and cash to hire others to protect it. Public safety would not have do with vaccinations, health care, food support, good roads, well-maintained public utilities, etc. Whose going to figure out how to make money from people who have none because they have no property? Who is gong to establsih a business to provide these things to people who cannot pay? People are less valuable than property in a libertarian philosophy.  In a libertarian world, how long till most people BECOME property, or, first stage, serfs?

        •  shelia - my only point was that there is nothing (0+ / 0-)

          in Somalia that represents libertarian principles, yet people here keep writing that Somalia is a libertarian paradise, and that libertarians should move there. I am not here to defend libertarians, I just can't let blatant stupidity go unchallenged.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 02:38:23 PM PDT

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