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  •  No, I said (0+ / 0-)
    so much for omnipotence and omnibenevolence
    not them.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:14:32 PM PDT

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    •  I know you said it, but (0+ / 0-)

      you mentioned it while describing an argument advanced by creationists:

      The deepest insult to God in this hypothesis
      is that Adam and Eve and the Serpent in the Garden have to be history so that the Fall is history, or else God cannot redeem us by sacrificing himself (Junior) to himself (Dad) in the Crucifixion and Resurrection.

      So much for omnipotence and omnibenevolence.

      How would I read that as something other than your characterization of the creationist position?

      I understand the temptation to sling the small God retort around--it played well in Cosmos.  But it's a strawman.

      •  Well then I have no idea what you mean by (0+ / 0-)

        the small god retort, either as you apply it to me or to Cosmos.

        I stated a Creationist claim. Then I commented that it is nonsense on their own principles, whose application they fail to see.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:56:52 AM PDT

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        •  "Small God" (0+ / 0-)

          As in a good that is not omnipotent (or omnibenevolent--though I question whether this is a defining characteristic in Abrahamic theology). You're arguing that the creationist theodicy requires denying these transcendent qualities of God, correct?

          •  I'm observing that it (0+ / 0-)

            does deny it, when compared with all of the non-Creationist churches that allow God to save us however He will.

            Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

            by Mokurai on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 12:14:15 PM PDT

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            •  That's my point (0+ / 0-)

              Creationist churches do not deny that it's within God's power to offer redemption--or do anything else--any way he damn well pleases.  To simply say God did something a certain way is not to assert that he couldn't have done it in any other fashion.

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