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  •  There is probably another resistance mechanism (0+ / 0-)

    at work - because the gene conferring resistance (CP4 EPSPS) was cloned into the nuclear genome instead of the mitochondrial one, it is present in pollen and can be much more easily transferred to weeds surrounding grain crops as a result.

    •  ...this also results in trivially easy (0+ / 0-)

      contamination of NON-GMO crops with these genes, (i) preventing their sale as organic, and (ii) exposing the unsuspecting farmers to legal action from Monsanto if their crops are hybridized.

      •  I have always wondered why on earth Monsanto did (0+ / 0-)

        this in the first place. Surely they could have made the pollen sterile. That would eliminate the whole cross-fertilization problem--and also prevent Mother Nature from giving away their patented genes to anyone and everyone for free, which they seem to be so paranoid and tight-assed about.

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 03:29:04 PM PDT

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        •  My son told me in his biology class his professor (1+ / 0-)
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          taught them when this pollen with the patented pollen drifts off the farms where it is used onto the neighboring farms which did not use it, the patented DNA gets mixed into the seed stock of the neighboring farmers who then face lawsuits.

          I did not catch whether the law suits from Monsanto are in regard to he patented product they sell, or the seed stock, but the big ultimate problem is they can not use the seed stocks they have been cultivating and handing down for generations because they are now in patent violation.

          My son reported that some of this farmers now have no alternate source of seed stock and must buy from the corporation involved which I believe was Monsanto in this case.

          "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

          by HoundDog on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 07:07:06 PM PDT

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          •  he's right (1+ / 0-)
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            Monsanto has claimed ownership rights over the gene itself (which I object to strongly--NOBODY should have any right to patent a natural product for private profit), and therefore claims the right to compensation from anyone who possesses their gene, no matter how they got it.

            Monsanto also forces people who use their seeds to sign a big long list of "thou shalt nots" regarding how the seeds are to be used--the biggest restriction being that the farmer CANNOT retain any of Monsanto's seed for planting next year. The farmers MUST buy a new supply of seeds from Monsanto for each planting season.

            That, I find intolerable. Once a person buys a product, the person who sold it should have NO right whatsoever to tell the purchaser what they can do with it.  It's like your TV dealer telling you what shows you can't watch, or your auto dealer telling you what parts of town you can't drive in.

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 07:39:58 PM PDT

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