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  •  Mexican wintering grounds (3+ / 0-)
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    Lenny Flank, BeninSC, HoundDog

    My understanding is that the logging in the monarchs' Mexican forests where they spend the winter has been sharply curtailed, but not entirely eliminated. Of course, extensive damage has been done.  I thought it was mainly illegal logging that was the issue in Mexico, but I did not research that part of the problem much. My blog was focused on what Americans can do to help, right now, like within the next few months, just for starters.  I agree the problem in Mexico is bad too and I in no way intended to minimize it.

    •  I was not suggesting you were trying to minimize (1+ / 0-)
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      it--I'm just pointing out that the problem is a lot more complicated than simply stopping the pesticides. Indeed, because this problem crosses international borders, it by definition requires an international solution, and is not solvable solely by us.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 04:06:15 PM PDT

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      •  Complexity (0+ / 0-)

        I worry when we emphasize complexity that people tend to throw up their hands and say what's the use, it won't matter what I do.  My article was geared toward suggesting some action steps that people in the U.S. can take to help.  In a way, everything is complex and change is incremental.

        •  alas the world is a complex place (0+ / 0-)

          Everything is tied to everything else. There are no loose threads in the web of life.

          "Simplicity" appeals only to the simple-minded.  ;)

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 06:16:34 AM PDT

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          •  that complexity, btw, is precisely why ecology is (0+ / 0-)

            such a subversive science . . .

            If we want to save butterflies, or manatees, or whales, or whatever other animals people think as cute and cuddly, we must literally change the way our entire society is run.

            A rather large undertaking--but one that is absolutely necessary.  ;)

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 06:24:46 AM PDT

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