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    video, to Mark Pryor.  Excellent comment.  They should hear our thoughts loud and clear!

    The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

    by AnnieR on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 07:53:46 AM PDT

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    •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

      that our side doesn't have a clue about what this is going to cost. Expanding Medicaid, making young, healthy people pay for other less healthy patients, that's all a good strategy IF you have the info about the costs and you make the system sustainable. At this point, it's not. Healthcare costs are actually going up with no end in sight.

      People who vote Republican aren't all illiterate numbskulls. Many of them are hard-working business owners and employees who justifiably don't want to be saddled with paying for social service programs directed toward people who choose not to pay their share. For many conservatives, it's not about disregarding the poor, it's about being more careful about how we "help" people.

      Yes, corporate welfare is worse than social welfare.
      Yes, the Pentagon and wars profiteers cost us too much.
      Yes, corporations buy off elected Republicans.

      But:
      1. Corporations buy off elected Democrats.
      2. Obamacare costs 30% more because Democrats are bought off by big Pharma and the Insurance Industry.
      3. Making young healthy people pay more in insurance as a way to cover expansions in Medicaid and subsidies is A) Not sustainable, and B) A new hidden tax.
      4. We can't help people who truly need our help unless we get rid of the cheaters (on the top & bottom) that are sucking out all our money.
      5. We still have intergenerational welfare, which means it's not working.
      6. The left pushes for massive immigration increases and amnesty for illegal aliens (voting against your own interests is ironically what we always claim Rs do).
      7. We allow drug addicts to live off others while continuing their addictions, as if there's some privacy issue on what they do with our money.
      Etc., etc.

      Our side needs to figure out how to make social service programs work so we can get moderates willing to support our progressive policies. Only then will we be able to take back our country from the super rich plutocrats who own both the Dems and Repubs in Congress.

      •  Aka the Southern Strategy (4+ / 0-)
        People who vote Republican aren't all illiterate numbskulls. Many of them are hard-working business owners and employees who justifiably don't want to be saddled with paying for social service programs directed toward people who choose not to pay their share. For many conservatives, it's not about disregarding the poor, it's about being more careful about how we "help" people.
        But they tend to be more willing to help those people who are white like them.  That's the whole point of the Southern Strategy:  Getting white working-class and small business owners to vote against their own economic interests by using code words to stoke and fan whatever racist impulses they might possess.

        That's not me saying that, that's Lee Atwater, Reagan's evil genius, saying that back in 1981.  Let's go to the videotape.

        From the article linked above:

        It has become, for liberals and leftists enraged by the way Republicans never suffer the consequences for turning electoral politics into a cesspool, a kind of smoking gun. The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:

        You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

        Now, the same indefatigable researcher who brought us Mitt Romney’s “47 percent” remarks, James Carter IV, has dug up the entire forty-two-minute interview from which that quote derives. Here, The Nation publishes it in its entirety for the very first time.

        Visit http://theuptake.org/ for Minnesota news as it happens.

        by Phoenix Woman on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:17:26 PM PDT

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        •  I think your historical perspective is correct, (0+ / 0-)

          but falls flat today. I don't believe that racism is the reason that half of our country's voters continue to choose Republicans.  

          Lots of us are thrilled to have elected our first black president, but have serious issues with his dishonesty regarding transparency in government, continued feeding of the war profiteers, and probably deliberate undermining of the public option in Obamacare.

          Remember also that racism can be experientially learned.

          When we get our Democrats to support the middle class over the rich, and when we stop pushing amnesty and increased immigration, we'll garner votes from people who think we've been very naive on those two issues.

          •  Sure you can say you're happy! (7+ / 0-)

            We elected the first black president but that doesn't mean you're being honest and transparent yourself. Remember Birtherism and the fact that nothing Obama does is ever right, even when he succeeds in reversing the negative job loss trend, economic crash Bush/GOTP set in motion in 2007, 2008. Even though Obama has reversed GOP disaster by gaining jobs rather than losing, GOP complain. ACA is lowering healthcare costs, offers benefits the previous system discriminated against people on, saved 716 B$ from medicare which goes back to medicare to save seniors money on drugs and services rather than use it as tax break for the rich like Ryan does, and still GOTP voters whine because a black man did it. What about the confederate flags and racist innuendo against Obama. Yeah, it most definitely is racially motivated, even if you're in denial about it, that more than an overwhelming majority of whites voting GOP are voting race over policy or their best interests. If they were voting good policy or their interests they'd vote Democrat. Racist Democrats fled in droves to the GOP party because they wanted to keep segregation and white supremacy going. Given man's selfish nature, you can understand how some people might want to maintain an unfair advantage over their fellow black, brown citizens even if in actuality what they're voting for is the supremacy of the oligarchy and against themselves. But they don't know that because the Southern Strategy dupes them by giving them brown, black people as the boogeyman rather than the reality which is the wealthy oligarchs are the actual enemy. Limbaugh and other rich oligarchs keep duping you guys, whipping you into a frenzy over race as they rob you blind as they're the real enemy. Open your eyes. N/M you won't because you like the lie of white supremacy.

            •  Excellently done! (3+ / 0-)

              I recall when the Republicans in the House were impeaching Clinton and claiming it was not about the sex.  We all found out later that it WAS about the sex.  So, when someone claims not to be a racist and surrounds this claim with such statements as SpaK has done, well, I'm just saying.

              •  I interpret the Clinton impeachment differently. (1+ / 0-)
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                They hated that man very, very deeply. From the very start they were out to get him. They only needed something to stick. His rather childish fooling around was the only thing that worked in the end.

                He indulged in tawdry affairs with some comely young ladies and denied it until the bitter end. Who wouldn't? And that includes many of the people who were trying to kick him out.

                It wasn't because of the affairs. Those merely served as the excuse. It was because they hated his guts from day one.

                And they've done the same thing to Barack Obama. For that reason, I don't believe that Obama hatred is actually race based. (Though I don't doubt that opportunistic racists are happy to join up) They hate the current President for the same reason they hated Bill Clinton.

                They hate these guys simply for being Democrats.

                The people who came to Washington with Ronald Reagan plus the 'second wave' who came with Newt Gingerich had a deep-seated contempt for those who they considered 'leftists'. It's festered into true hatred.

            •  THE PROBLEM W/ OBABMA IS HE IS African/American (0+ / 0-)

              and the racists can't bear to admit that as an African/American president, he has done an excellent job and deserves credit for all the good things he has done.  Of course they are always looking for ways not to not give him any credit for what he has done, or is doing.  All they see is he is black and they don't want to admit how much good he has done.  I am proud of President Obama and all the good he has done and how he seems to laugh off all their petty digs at him.  I agree that Democrats need to really get their ads together and emphasize the thousands of people who now have healthcare, when the Republicans were fighting it tooth and nail all the way and are still wanting to repeal it.  Also, how about emphasizing how the Republicans are denying people extended unemployment benefits, claiming they are doing them a favor.  At church yesterday I talked to a guy about the thousands of dollars he was saving now, with a much lower health insurance premium.

      •  Hi Sparhawk! Here we go again! (5+ / 0-)

        Please show how  health care costs are skyrocketing. You are exaggerating on purpose about the number and quality of people who need health care, your inference is that there are too many freeloaders. So, prove your claim. You are a troll and you are not a good enough writer to hide your trope from people who understand what you are really saying.

        If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

        by waztec on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 12:20:12 PM PDT

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        •  I'm not a troll (0+ / 0-)

          I simply disagree with you. In a few years, we will realize that we've been taken for a ride (again). Our Democrats have layored Obamacare on top of an already faulty social services system.

          People who uses drugs can get Social Security for being drug addicts, and access Section 8 Housing and HEAP air conditioning and heating support for the rest of their lives. Guess what they can spend their money on, thanks to other taxpayers: Yup, drugs. Liberals think requiring drug tests for those on social services is somehow an infringement of the drug user's right to privacy.

          People from other countries can fly here to have a baby (maternity tourism), take their "instant citizen" back home, and if the kids falls off a rice cart, he/she's eligible for Social Security Disability for the rest of their lives, thanks to American taxpayers and progressives who refuse to question our own liberal policies.

          I could go on, but you're not interested in hearing any criticism of our great social welfare policies.

        •  Rake Off (4+ / 0-)

          Reducing the cost of health care will never be effective until we have a single-payer system that dumps the insurance companies and the 20% they rake off the top.

      •  You points have no point (8+ / 0-)
        1. Corporations buy off elected Democrats.
        Sure.  But Dem's at least try to help people as well.
        2. Obamacare costs 30% more because Democrats are bought off by big Pharma and the Insurance Industry.
        That was the only way to get Repubs to support it.  Repubs block any and all collective bargaining on behalf of the people vs corporations.  They wouldn't even begin to talk about single-payer; we had to start with one of their own bills and even then they went apeshit crazy.
        3. Making young healthy people pay more in insurance as a way to cover expansions in Medicaid and subsidies is A) Not sustainable, and B) A new hidden tax.
        It's called insurance.  It works best with the largest pool of participants.  The healthy are always subsidizing the sick.  Always were, always will be.
        4. We can't help people who truly need our help unless we get rid of the cheaters (on the top & bottom) that are sucking out all our money.
        The "cheaters" on the bottom are utterly insignificant.  You will spend far more trying to deny then benefits than you would save once you find them and take away their benefits.
        5. We still have intergenerational welfare, which means it's not working.
        The only intergenerational warfare I see is old folks on SS and Medicare trying to dismantle they system while leaving themselves untouched.
        6. The left pushes for massive immigration increases and amnesty for illegal aliens (voting against your own interests is ironically what we always claim Rs do).
        How is this at all a problem?!
        7. We allow drug addicts to live off others while continuing their addictions, as if there's some privacy issue on what they do with our money.
        Yeah, this is bad.  We should decriminalize all drug use and simply treat them.
      •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

        Your not paying attention which is why your bullet points make no sense at all.

        •  I assume you realize (1+ / 0-)
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          that the blockquotes in drklassen's post are points made by SpaK above?

          drklassen quoted SpaK's comments point by point and refuted them.

          Do try to pay attention, won't you?

          The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

          by twocrows1023 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:06:02 PM PDT

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      •  smart republican oxymoran (4+ / 0-)

        I have yet to encounter a smart informed considerate republican. At it;s very root, it is impossible. These are the people who call themselves the party of ronald reagan who was the worst traitor this country has ever seen and possibly one of the most evil men in history. Hitler targeted the jews- Reagan targeted the poor black community with crack to pay to create the middle east war machine.  I am from a family business where we were denied insurance at any price because my Mom had arthritis so we were all blackballed. We were not able to provide insurance for employees either. I watched 3 generations suffer and die because we were denied medical treatment. There is no such thing as a good republican. These are the choices they have made in following a platform of hate and exclusion.

      •  Single payer, (5+ / 0-)

        which is the ultimate outcome of the healthcare games, in countries like Britain, France and others costs about 30 - 40% less based upon GDP,and has far better outcomes.  Life expectancy in the US is NOT among the highest in the industrialized nations.  Single payer countries do not experience two of the more important issues facing Americans: 1)over 50,000 deaths every year from treatable cause because the victims do not have insurance, 2) hundreds of thousands of bankruptcies every year due to no insurance or inadequate insurance.  Eliminating the current system of private insurers will save this country $350B, more than enough to foot the cost of a single-payer system.  Or, we could just adjust our current budgetary priorities by reducing our military budget by 30%.

      •  - (4+ / 0-)
        7. We allow drug addicts to live off others while continuing their addictions, as if there's some privacy issue on what they do with our money.
        Uh, no.  Rick Scott combed the Welfare rolls.  He forced them to get tested for drug use and intended to 1] make those who failed pay for the test themselves [the state picked up the tab for those who tested clean] and 2] kick off anyone who showed up dirty.

        So how much did he save by doing all that?  
        He SPENT $2 million.  
        And how many people could he kick out for using drugs?  
        2%.

        So 98% of the people he hoped to kick to the curb are still on Welfare and not using drugs.  Just like they didn't before Rick played his game and proved what everyone else had said all along:  people on Welfare are, almost entirely, NOT drug addicts.

        But you didn't get that memo, I guess.  Primarily because you didn't want to.

        The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men - - Plato . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We must be the change we wish to see in the world - - Mohandas Gandhi

        by twocrows1023 on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 08:03:22 PM PDT

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    •  Pryor (2+ / 0-)
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      I sent it to him!  He needs more wake-up calls.  I am an AR voter.

      •  Good! (1+ / 0-)
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        They need to hear our voices.  We're preaching to the choir here.  Some of these excellent comments I read every day need to be sent to our elected representatives.  How else will they know?  Good for you.

        There are times when I feel so strongly in the ignorance I'm seeing from politicians that I send them e-mails using a 123 main street address and the zip code from their hometown offices.  I didn't think about it this time - duh!  

        The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

        by AnnieR on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 02:58:51 PM PDT

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