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  •  They're trollish posts because they ARE trolls (6+ / 0-)

    People put here, or manipulated by people put here, to intentionally and deliberately smear folks like Snowden and Greenwald and anyone who appreciates what they've done, divide the left, and defend the national insecurity state and the corporate interests that own it.

    What kind of person does that?

    Stupid people
    Authoritarians
    Weak-minded people
    Schmucks
    Cowards
    Sociopaths
    Clueless people

    You don't have to be all of these. Only one will suffice. Most people are at least one of these. That's how the other side wins.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:11:14 PM PDT

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    •  You forgot... (2+ / 0-)
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      Democratic Party apologists.

      "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

      by cardboardurinal on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:26:22 PM PDT

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      •  Who fit neatly into the above categories IMO (1+ / 0-)
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        Most tribal types are quite stupid or weak IMO, hiding behind some imagined team because they lack individual strength or identity. They have their team's "back", but does it have theirs? The true test of tribal worth.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:34:55 PM PDT

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        •  I was trying... (0+ / 0-)

          not to be so blunt about it...but you are probably correct about a lot of them.  

          "[I]n the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone...They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand."

          by cardboardurinal on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:47:33 PM PDT

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          •  I'm too old to harbor sentimental delusions (1+ / 0-)
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            Mind you, I don't say such things to the faces of people I believe to be in such categories, for the most part. What's the point? And, some of them may yet come around, someday, but it's not my job to jolt them there.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:50:12 PM PDT

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    •  Just don't call their BS propaganda "tripe" (1+ / 0-)
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      Or they'll HR you for it.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

      by DeadHead on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:45:29 PM PDT

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      •  I know the rules (2+ / 0-)
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        and what I can and can't say here. I accuse no one specifically of such, so I'm good. And they can shove their tripe up their passive-aggressive un-American asses and maybe get a real job someday doing real work.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 01:54:14 PM PDT

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    •  Dividing the left... (0+ / 0-)

      seems to cut both ways. Your list of the qualities that define those who do not "appreciate" what Snowden and / or Greenwald has done, or are doing is quite divisive. Perhaps those who don't think Snowden and Greenwald should set security policy for the US are simply not comfortable with individuals deciding what is and what isn't necessary and sharing that with the world at large. What kind of person does that?

      Paranoid People
      Egostistical People
      Paternalistic People
      Dogmatic People

      People who are sure their way is the only way, and everyone else is stupid, clueless and weak-minded

      You don't have to be all of these, only one will suffice to "divide" the left. Did you really not see the irony in this comment?

      •  Pretty words (5+ / 0-)

        But simply not borne out by the facts. But go ahead and keep either believing the lies our government tells you because it's easier and more comforting and when your side does it it's ok.

        Our government spies on us, illegally. To deny it is delusional. To believe that it's for our own good is both idiotic and fascistic.

        Do you not see the irony in your own words?

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:03:51 PM PDT

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        •  I actually didn't say... (1+ / 0-)
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          which insulting and divisive list I would place myself on, I have a more nuanced opinion and wouldn't appreciate being placed on either. That was the point of my comment. The irony of calling something divisive and then posting a divisive list of how stupid people are. That's all.

          •  I didn't say JUST stupid (2+ / 0-)
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            There are other reasons and motivations, but stupid is clearly one of them, along with authoritarian, foolish, naive and self-interested (my list wasn't exhaustive of course). Plus, very smart people can be selectively stupid. I know I've been such in the past. When it's easier to be stupid, one tends to be stupid. And it's easier to pretend that everything's AOK.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:24:44 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (3+ / 0-)
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        Your list of the qualities that define those who do not "appreciate" what Snowden and / or Greenwald has done, or are doing is quite divisive.
        Except, one group is on the wrong side of history, and the other is disconnected from reality.
        Perhaps those who don't think Snowden and Greenwald should set security policy for the US are simply not comfortable with individuals deciding what is and what isn't necessary and sharing that with the world at large.
        Strawman. They don't set security policy, the people you seem to be defending do. Apparently you're okay with the the perpetrators "deciding" which of their abuses we get to know about and which ones we don't.
        What kind of person does that?
        Those who have a clue, perhaps?
        People who are sure their way is the only way, and everyone else is stupid, clueless and weak-minded
        Well, there really hasn't been a compelling argument put forth that proves otherwise.




        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

        by DeadHead on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 02:21:37 PM PDT

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        •  People who call global warming deniers (1+ / 0-)
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          idiots, fools, liars and trolls are clearly being divisive, in an ironic way.

          Why can't we all learn to just love one another and accept our overlords?

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:01:28 PM PDT

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        •  And who are you to tell me that 1 + 1 = 2?!? (1+ / 0-)
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          Don't persecute me divisively, bro!

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Fri Apr 11, 2014 at 04:02:43 PM PDT

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