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  •  Good points (1+ / 0-)
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    certainot

    You bring up things I hadn't considered. One of the powers of the right wing talk phenomenon is the anonymity of syndication. Each station can claim to be quasi-innocent of what a host far far away said. However, when there is protest, the talk radio uses that as a way to boost ratings or ad revenue. (The Howard Stern model.)

    Neil Boorts and Herman Cain are from Atlanta, and the former got plenty of protest when he was just a local voice, and that, of course, was something he used.

    My point was that the Air America experience showed us that the real battle had been lost when Bush 1 and Clinton had allowed media mergers to go unchecked. That had led to more and more market power for highly leveraged, extremely aggressive conglomerates to effectively own the dial -- especially on AM. At this point, the only way a left alternative can happen is as a subscription through college radio, as public radio is largely gone, and the entire AM dial is chartered.

    "man, proud man,/ Drest in a little brief authority,. . . Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven/ As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,/ Would all themselves laugh mortal." -- Shakespeare, Measure for Measure II ii, 117-23

    by The Geogre on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 05:33:41 PM PDT

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    •  those stations are well coordinated nationally (1+ / 0-)
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      (through the national talkers) and locally through the local GOP and think tanks. they usually follow the same topics with the same talking points.

      i don't think the objective should be to try to compete with the monopoly- that won't work if 90% of the left think rw radio is irrelevant.

      the way to fight it is to open more stations to progressives and that can be done if the left finally challenges rw radio - which it isn't.

      in this diary  http://www.dailykos.com/...  i suggest some ways to challenge that monopoly, which only survives because the left ignores it.

      rw radio depends heavily on university sports. all the left has to do is shame some of our universities to stop endorsing it- the monopoly will fall apart as more schools start honoring their mission statements.

      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Sat Apr 12, 2014 at 06:21:04 PM PDT

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      •  Yes and No (1+ / 0-)
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        You're correct that rw AM stations survive by college sports, but you're wrong to think that the universities can do anything much about it. The conferences sign broadcast rights deals with networks, and the NCAA negotiates radio as well as TV contracts. The university, if it's popular (revenue positive for the AM station) is almost certainly bound by prior agreements into a collective contract.

        I'll speak to specifics.

        The University of Georgia football is a huge money maker for radio. Georgia Tech is much less so. No, Georgia has its "Georgia Bulldogs Network" of affiliated stations, but the actual negotiations are done via the University of Georgia Athletic Association (which is a private non-profit unaffiliated with the University), which purchases rights from the U. Georgia Tech, on the other hand, /formerly sold rights to its network, and, because there was less demand, it choose stations.

        However, Georgia Tech is now in the ACC. This conference has its own "all schools participating" network, and its Leerfield Sports handles the individual networks. "The Clemson" or "Georgia Tech" or "Tarheel" or "Terapin" network is alike Leerfield.

        Let the NCAA die, and let the accounting tricks get audited, and, yes, the schools will be able to divest. I'm for it. Now, though, we let the billionaires buy the air.

        "man, proud man,/ Drest in a little brief authority,. . . Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven/ As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,/ Would all themselves laugh mortal." -- Shakespeare, Measure for Measure II ii, 117-23

        by The Geogre on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 10:38:03 AM PDT

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        •  i don't buy it that nothing can be done. at some (0+ / 0-)

          point the university has to agree to a licensing contract. the schools hold the final say, not the NCAA ro learfield, on whether they do or do not want to be part of KKK radio.

          the university can say they won't renew with learfield or whoever, if the the radio component includes political programing, be it rw of left wing.

          that wil send a signal to advertisers- it will hurt rw radio. some stations will have to think about giving up political talk and find other content, or maybe they'll offer to balance (i wouldn't trust them tho- they're always puling that shit with so called liberals and moderates).

          there will be schools out there that will feel pressure to follow.

          and maybe there's language in the contracts that allows them to pull out of a relationship with a station that, for instance, incites violence, or is racist,  sexist etc. if a station became a KKK radio station, wouldn't a university have the option to break the contract? i would argue most of those stations have been there for years.

          you sound knowledgeable in this, i have a question. is there a way to find out how much the schools are getting from the radio portion of the licensing agreements?

          that portion may be a very small part of the total- and therefore easier to separate.

          i understand learfield keeps that confidential, and the university personnel  may not even know, and that's absurd, considering the fact that all those stations basically work for the GOP and their affiliated think tanks.

          This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

          by certainot on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 12:39:34 PM PDT

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          •  It's very, very weird (1+ / 0-)
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            There are scandals beneath scandals in this area.

            Many of the universities punt the negotiations to a booster club that is officially a private non-profit. This is for cause. There was a law suit brought in the mid-1980's against the University of Georgia Athletic Association (which is not part of the U.). The University rents its football stadium to the AA for $1.00 a year, and then it sells the tickets to games for high prices. The U. only gets money on licensing and concessions (the $3.00 Coca-Cola, the programs, the t-shirts). In return, the AA actually built and provides the weight rooms, the track, and all kinds of things that the students can't use because it's not owned by the U.

            If that sounds corrupt, it's because it is. (The case went to three judges that were all members of the AA. Two recused. The third didn't but dismissed the case.) I don't know who manages the radio rights, but I would venture to guess that it, too, is the AA -- purchasing the rights from the U. for a figurative sum.

            The problem with the ACC and a number of other leagues is that the leagues made deals. I agree that the leagues should be able to do better, and the universities could put pressure on them, but students and alumni will probably not pressure for anything that reduces their ability to hear the games.

            "man, proud man,/ Drest in a little brief authority,. . . Plays such fantastic tricks before high heaven/ As make the angels weep; who, with our spleens,/ Would all themselves laugh mortal." -- Shakespeare, Measure for Measure II ii, 117-23

            by The Geogre on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 06:53:37 PM PDT

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            •  yikes. it sounds seriously corrupt. basically ways (2+ / 0-)
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              of privatizing aspects of a publicly funded university.

              and using a very loud local radio station endorsed by the university to influence regents elections and who is and isn't acceptable as president/chancellor (i saw all that for the university of co) is a big part of it.

              i can't imagine that students and faculty and staff would accept this without protest if they had a clue. but most of them think radio is a dying medium that only old white folks listen to.

              as far as access to games though, i can't accept the idea that the people who actually do listen to the games on radio can't find alternatives, nor the idea that those right wing stations, loud as they are, can't be replaced in many areas with stations that would be very happy to broadcast those games and collectively may even pay more in licensing. or replaced by live streaming.

              that's another thing- are the licensing cos really looking for the best deal for the uni as far as radio goes? is there a real bidding process going on? is that legal? by packaging the media rights with tv they jack it out of range of other stations. the major tv rw radio associations can dominate. and are.

              the whole thing sounds really fishy, and something student groups ought to be pursuing- especially since those rw radio stations, endorsed by their beloved sports teams, are trying to defund them, reduce grants and faculty salaries, and kill public ed in general.

              This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

              by certainot on Sun Apr 13, 2014 at 08:04:52 PM PDT

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