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  •  I completely agree: it is a waste of (3+ / 0-)
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    taxpayer money, and if the AG is a Republican, than he or she is being hypocritical to waste taxpayer dollars no matter what he or she thinks about same-sex marriage.

    What has happened over the last decade is that many of the arguments used against same-sex marriage have been shown to be demonstrably false. No heterosexual marriage or family has been damaged by same-sex marriage, nor children harmed, and God has not smited us with his mighty staff. Furthermore, in the decade since the Goodridge decision in Massachusetts, many mainline Christian churches have not only decided to support marriage equality, but have begun to conduct these unions in their churches. My denomination has even developed a beautiful rite for the blessing of same sex marriages which is sensitive to LGBT persons.

    Fact is, marriage equality is coming, and there is no stopping it.

    Thank you for your support for marriage equality. The most important voices in this struggle are those of our straight allies.

    Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

    by commonmass on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 09:38:36 AM PDT

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    •  Same-sex couple in our church (4+ / 0-)
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      Our (Episcopal) rector got in a little trouble with our bishop when a same-sex couple from our church wanted to celebrate 25 years together.  He and a past rector officiated, and conveniently stepped away when they exchanged rings.  That was about five years ago.

      With federal recognition of same-sex marriages, they both travelled to New York (the family home of one of the couple) and were legally married there.  Our rector went along to be there, even if he couldn't officiate in another state.

      My wife hangs out with one of the couple on altar guild.  So far, it hasn't affected my marriage at all, although if I went against same-sex marriage, my kids might disown me and I might get banished to the couch.

      The Scout Law (trustworthy, loyal, helpful...) is a GREAT liberal manifesto.

      by DaytonMike on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 10:05:03 AM PDT

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      •  Well, General Convention approved a new rite (2+ / 0-)
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        for same-sex couples last year. If you haven't seen it, you can download it on line. Like everything in the BCP, it's just beautiful and particularly geared towards affirming the dignity of same-sex couples.

        Now, this rite as it stands today, is for use in Dioceses in states where same-sex marriage is legal, as far as I know. But it's an official part of the church and I'm very proud of that.

        By the way, the Rector could have petitioned the Bishop in New York for temporary faculties and could have presided if the Bishop gave his or her permission. Your Rector may not have done that so as to avoid tension with his or her own Bishop.

        The Episcopal Church is just so way cool in so many ways. Makes me proud to be an Episcopalian.

        Have a good and reflective Holy Week.

        Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

        by commonmass on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 10:15:14 AM PDT

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        •  Our current buishop... (1+ / 0-)
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          ...Tom Breitenthal has approved using that liturgy or a variant of it for blessings of same-sex unions here in Southern Ohio, with a few caveats.  Approval has to be gained from the parish and clergy that would perform the service, and from the bishop as well (just like remarriage after divorce), at least one of the partners must be a member of the parish, and no parish or clergy can be force to perform the service against it's or his/her conscience.  It just hasn't yet happened at our parish, but 'm sure it will.  

          The Scout Law (trustworthy, loyal, helpful...) is a GREAT liberal manifesto.

          by DaytonMike on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 10:33:25 AM PDT

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          •  I'm glad you brought up divorce. Lots of people (1+ / 0-)
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            don't know that while remarriage after divorce is possible (and happens often) in the Episcopal Church, you do have to have permission from your Bishop.

            However, comparing same-sex marriage to divorce and remarriage is a little offensive. Though, on the other hand, obviously your Diocese is in a transitional phase on this issue and I am glad you are.

            You and/or your wife should get yourselves appointed delegates to your next Diocesan Convention, by the way. You guys are exactly the kind of people who should be doing that. Talk to your Rector and your Wardens and express an interest in doing that.

            Pope Francis: the Thumb of Christ in the eyes of the Pharisees.

            by commonmass on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 10:40:07 AM PDT

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