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    •  money out of the election process? (6+ / 0-)

      won't happen until we evolve.

      -You want to change the system, run for office.

      by Deep Texan on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 11:51:32 AM PDT

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      •  Faster evolution = Backlash! (20+ / 0-)

        Noodling around in my brain lately is the idea that may be why the Kochs have been pulling out all the stops. They know the demographics are against them, too.

        Nah, I'll never give up ;)

        "Let each unique song be sung and the spell of differentiation be broken" - Winter Rabbit

        by cotterperson on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47:06 PM PDT

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        •  Evolution is just a theory (15+ / 0-)

          / snark

          "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert

          by Rob Dapore on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 12:54:01 PM PDT

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        •  cotterperson. (11+ / 0-)

          right.
          Plus, they have the Supreme Court loaded to suit their objectives.

          They want footholds where they can establish them; Wisconsin and Kansas are examples of "Oligarchy Democracy".

          While those two states represent a tiny faction of population, electoral votes, and people, the laws they pass and get certified by Supreme Court decisions will take decades to contend with.

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          I got kids in this world; I cannot give up!

          Suddenly, it dawns on me, Earnest T. Bass is the intellectual and philosophical inspiration of the TeaParty.

          by Nebraska68847Dem on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 01:11:25 PM PDT

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          •  This is temporary (20+ / 0-)
            they have the Supreme Court loaded to suit their objectives.
            as long as Dems win the White House in 2016.

            The 4 oldest Supremes are Ginsburg (81), Scalia (78), Kennedy (77), and Breyer (75). 2 Clinton appointees and 2 Reagan appointees on a 5-4 court.

            Nobody lives forever - we have to hold the White House to switch the court majority and turn the tide on things like money=speech and voter suppression.

            Election Day is Nov 4th, 2014 It's time for the Undo button on the 2010 Election.

            by bear83 on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 01:33:13 PM PDT

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            •  I am agnostic (16+ / 0-)

              but I thank God for Ruth Bader Ginsburg every morning I wake to a new day.

              Suddenly, it dawns on me, Earnest T. Bass is the intellectual and philosophical inspiration of the TeaParty.

              by Nebraska68847Dem on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 01:39:56 PM PDT

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              •  I wish she's retire with Obama in office though. (5+ / 0-)

                And Breyer too.  (And of course any of the rightwing 5, but they wouldn't voluntariily.) It's not cynical to want a Dem to replace you, it's realistic, and good, and (in today's climate) patriotic.  Thurgood Marshall wanted a Dem to replace him, and held out as long as he could; Byron White (himself no liberal but still a Dem) retired soon after Clinton took office.  Ginsburg and Breyer are gambling with the nation's future if they don't let Obama name their replacements.  I know it sucks, and I hate it, but it's true.

                "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

                by dackmont on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 04:02:00 AM PDT

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            •  Replace the first three with solid liberals (6+ / 0-)

              And all of a sudden a lot of 5-4 decisions are 6-3 in our favor.  

              A desperate disease requires a dangerous remedy.

              by Guy Fawkes on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 05:33:06 PM PDT

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            •  doubtful (5+ / 0-)

              While it's too complex for a post: Bill Clinton targeted the poor, giving us 8 yrs of Bush, elected and re-elected by the middle class. The poor voted third party or withheld their votes. The poor did overwhelmingly vote for Obama; based on his prior work with poverty and the poor, it was hoped that he could launch a legitimate discussion about US poverty. That didn't happen, and lib media continued to wave the Middle Class Only banner. With the latest budget, 89 Democrats voted to cut food aid to the elderly, disabled and working poor.  Again. That's a lot of votes to throw away.  Again.

              •  It was not as simple (1+ / 0-)
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                As you make it out to be.

                "We are all cut from the same cloth."

                by doug r on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:56:35 PM PDT

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              •  Bush II (0+ / 0-)

                GWBush was not elected to his first term; though the news agencies tortured the data in their 'analysis' to be able to say we would have been stuck with him anyway, in 9 of the 12 scenarios they ran Gore won the election.  By that point the media (owned lock, stock, and barrel by the far right since sometime in the 1990's) did not dare show the decision of the Supreme Court in December of 2000 for what it was, an unconstitutional appointment by them of Bush.  Clinton had not truly 'targeted' the poor, he had simply signed some bills that he should have vetoed because he was assured by the Democrats then in Congress that it was the best they could get out of the Republicans (or that what the Republicans would follow them with would be even worse).  Even so, he was able to get a modest tax increase on the 1% enacted, which was the main impetus of the budget surplus he left that Bush deliberately squandered.

                As I've already noted, the media has not been liberal for many years (with some notable exceptions), and the right just keeps beating that dead horse because so many people are afraid to admit that truth.  The people are slowly (far too slowly) waking up to what the right is up to.  That is why the right is in such a hurry to cement Congressional majorities now; they know that if they cannot take both houses in this midterm, it lessens their chances to be able to take the White House in 2016, and also lessens their ability to fight off demands for amending the Constitution to restore corporations to their proper role as simple legal fictions and remove the massive influence of unlimited money from our elections.

            •  Impeach (2+ / 0-)
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              Why doesn't the powers that be start impeachment proceedings against the 5 Republican justices. It is a well know that one and  or more of them attend regular private meetings at the oil Koch brothers ranches to plan Republican political strategy and with other rich Republican donors for the same reason. Their actions show that they can not be impartial and actually base their decisions on their Republican party leanings not the Constitution. Also why aren't we hearing an outcry to replace the  Constitutional law that  gives them a lifetime job on the Supreme Court bench to one that sets how long a someone can be a Supreme Court Justice and one that makes it easier to replace when they make decisions like Citizens Untied and the McCuthinson decision. There are children as long as 10 that know those decisions cause corruption and they ask  why we adults aren't doing anything to stop it.

              VOTE NOVEMBER 2014

              •  Why not impeach the conservative justices? (0+ / 0-)

                Simple - impeachment proceedings must be initiated by the House, which is controlled by the Republicans. Impeaching their rubber-stampers on the Court is the last thing they'd do.

                Republicans - A pathology, not a party.

                by storeysound on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 10:52:42 AM PDT

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          •  Wisconsin (8+ / 0-)

            Other states should learn from our (Wisconsin's) example.  The state took a rightward turn in the 1980s, electing and re-electing rt. wing extremist Tommy Thompson for governor. The state took a break with conservative Dem Doyle, and then chose rt. wing extremist Scott Walker.  Results: During this time, WI farms have fallen like dominoes, and our once-thriving manufacturing jobs have been shipped out.  The state has steadily grown poorer, and the impact has rippled through our once-outstanding education system, etc. The former dairy state, a former powerhouse of manufacturing, on a steady downhill slide.

          •  Desperate Need For SCOTUS Checks & Balances (1+ / 0-)
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            The current situation in the SCOTUS has revealed a flaw, possibly a fatal flaw, in our Constitution. Everyone Left or Right knows the situation. The SCOTUS has gone completely off the reservation. They have declared themselves to be an independent legislature (UN ELECTED) with the power to re write all our laws thru idealism based "interpretations" of the laws. The soul of jurisprudence & Common Law is precedent. 100 years of reasonable efforts (precedents) to keep money out of politics & conserve the bedrock concept of our Republic tossed out the window at the behest of the Oligarchs. "Government of the people, by the people & for the people" is not just a catch phrase. It represents the deepest intent of the Founding Fathers. If this perversion of the court is allowed to stand the SCOTUS will become the instrument of doom for our entire government. No law can be considered safe from tampering by such a court. This must be addressed in a fair & permanent manner. Forget repealing 'Citizen's United'.  That is small potatoes. The entire authority of government is being subverted. The runaway court has assumed the powers of the other two branches. The Constitution needs desperately to be amended so that a runaway court can never endanger our Heritage again. I leave the form of that amendment to the Constitutional Law experts, there are several possible approaches. This is not about left or right. Surely even the most conservative  of opinion who love our country & who are the short term beneficiaries of the current power grab must realize that a higher goal than the current power squabble is at stake. This runaway court & any future runaway court must be stopped by revision of the Constitution they have chosen to trample on. There is precious little time to act before we lose all that we have achieved as a nation.

            •  SCOTUS (0+ / 0-)

              The far right noise machine is convinced that only by taking and keeping power in their hands will the country continue.  They have drunk their own Kool-Aide far too deeply, and now cannot see the way back to sanity.  If this were a liberal court making rulings of this sort, they would be screaming at full volume about how these 'activist judges' are distorting the law and legislating from the bench.  Isn't it interesting that when they are getting what they want it isn't so wrong?

        •  No backlash (1+ / 0-)
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          It's not going to happen, and Occupy showed us why. What began as an extraordinary people's movement was quickly redefined (mainly by Dems/lib media) as a middle class movement alone. The rest of us walked away, and Occupy fizzled out. The US shipped out a huge chunk of our working class jobs, and then Clinton wiped out basic poverty relief. The middle class applauded. Dems and lib media promptly raised the Middle Class Only banner. Our situation today: What the rich are doing to the middle class is simply what the middle class already did to the poor. This time, the proverbial "masses" have been deeply divided. Who will push back, and against whom?

          •  Disagree entirely with this. (3+ / 0-)
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            I was involved in Occupy Oakland in the early days.  I can tell you that in my area, Occupy fizzled out because it embraced "diversity of tactics" which included smashing up businesses and provoking OPD.  Many of the people involved weren't interested in winning concessions and reforms that might help poor people, but wanted to instigate riots and start a full-scale revolution.  Ultimately, they scared people away from the movement.  Despite our anger at the status quo, most people around here, including myself, did not want to see our city go up in flames.

            Feel trickled on yet?

            by War4Sale on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 06:30:38 PM PDT

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          •  ????? (0+ / 0-)

            Why are you so intent on bashing Clinton?  He made the best he could of what turned into a bad situation, in large part because the far right saw him as an opportunity to paint the left as worse than the right.  Whitewater was supposed to be a slam-dunk that would allow them to 'prove' how bad Liberals were supposed to be.  When that turned out to be exactly what the Clintons had always said it was, a real estate idea gone bad where even they lost money, the far right was so deep into the cesspool of their own creation that they could not retreat without losing face totally with their dupes.  Starr was given the mandate to find anything to hang on Clinton, and various far right politicos did their best to beat the bushes for anyone who would be willing to come forward for the right amount of money with their tawdry little stories.  True, Clinton didn't do himself any favors getting some oral action from Monica, especially when she proved to have very loose lips afterwards, but that entire debacle actually hurt the far right more than it helped them.  That they were able to turn it around and, with some help from a SCOTUS willing to take a case that they had no Constitutional authority to take, and retake the White House in 2000 was nothing short of a miracle of media manipulation.  Maybe you should aim your anger in the correct direction?

        •  Faster evolution (1+ / 0-)
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          The Devil is a defeated foe, Maya is an illusion, doesn't stop either from mouthing off, their divisive thoughts, our job is not to buy it, that's how we stay on the path. View them as an enlightenment tool, thank them(non-response can be seen that way, and that will really put them in a tail spin.

        •  They are also getting old and don't have as much (1+ / 0-)
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          time to do whatever it is they want to accomplish before dementia sets in, if it already hasn't.

          "The economy and the environment are, in fact, permanently intertwined. A healthy economy depends on a healthy environment. Can't have one without the other." -- Meteor Blades

          by politically indigo on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 10:33:37 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe it will (0+ / 0-)

        if we can get all "our" money that Corporations have parked in overseas accounts and, if we get out the vote for Dems in State and local elections, we can change repressive voting laws.

        By the way,  for Midterms, well there is so little information about times and places for voting that people miss it  .

        Thank God that the Koch Brothers involvement in many states is creating more information than is  typical for Mid-terms. The money is just not there for basically State and local elections.

        The President should continue "campaigning" as though he were running during the midterm .

      •  I believe one of the Supreme Court Justices said (0+ / 0-)

        That in this internet age it should be easy to find out whose money is backing whom. But that seems to have fallen by the wayside.

        "We are all cut from the same cloth."

        by doug r on Tue Apr 15, 2014 at 07:41:11 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly! Public funding of campaigns and strict... (12+ / 0-)

      lobbying regulations are the only way we will be represented again.

      I am trying to start that movement to get this to happen (as my sig shows) but I have found few allies thus far.

      Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

      by fToRrEeEsSt on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47:24 PM PDT

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    •  that and stop the propaganda from the (18+ / 0-)

      right owned media.  The way they twist the truth is stunning and destructive.

      Don't know if it's possible.  My right wing sister has bought into it hook, line and sinker.  She hates us.  And he hate keeps growing with each new lie she's told about us.  To see it is kind of scary.  To see her vote against her own interests because of that misinformation and her growing hate, with each election, is stunning.

      The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

      by AnnieR on Mon Apr 14, 2014 at 01:21:51 PM PDT

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      •  There has to be a way to enlighten those viewers (2+ / 0-)
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        we just haven't found it yet.

        It's much easier to unite people around their fears and hates than it is around their opportunities.

        •  You don't have to enlighten anyone (0+ / 0-)

          Progressives don't get it. The whole idea that the left is enlightened and the right is not, smacks of elitism. People will vote against their self interests in shortsighted reaction to perceived insults. It is natural human behavior, not unique to the right. The only difference is that the lefts anger aligns with their self interests.

          •  The Best & Brightest (1+ / 0-)
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            in Behavioral Psychology are probably working for Koches & Turd Blossom. The money shifted them from selling you toothpaste to selling you Corporate Political Rat Poison. Those people can & do know how to sell refrigerators to Eskimos. They know how to push your buttons that you don't even suspect you have. Dr Goebbels would be awestruck at what they can accomplish.

          •  Yes, we do have to enlighten many. (0+ / 0-)

            And we Progressives actually do 'get it,' as you say.  Those who fail to get it are the ones who will lose all when the time comes to rise against the oligarchs, for they will be on the wrong side of history.

    •  Even half way there would be giant steps (3+ / 0-)

      Make it morally, politically, socially repugnant to buy a seat for office. We need a push for a system where public financing outstrips private money by limiting expensive 'free' speech. And where none of it goes through the hands of the candidates or the parties. No money from lobbyists and strong, no nonsense laws that keep PACs and such from coordinating. No more politicians with PACs.

      Demand that starting with (more and certainly better) Democrats, all the time, to where it might become a primary issue one day. Where it becomes an issue the media has to cover. Anecdotally I know quite a few conservative friends, neighbors, and family who are also sick and tired of special interest money corrupting government. And Democrats will adapt quicker than Republicans will to that change if we start the ball rolling now.

      We will not eliminate all money, that's chasing unicorns, but we can demand strict annual limits that give billionaires no greater advantage over the average citizen. More money will always bring more influence, but we need to get it down to very little.

      •  Require all corporate political spending (0+ / 0-)

        To be in alignment with all shareholders wishes. Corporations leverage shareholder dollars against the political interests of shareholders. If they must insult corporations are people then the people's voices must be represented.

    •  movetoamend.org (1+ / 0-)
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      Sign their petition!

    •  And all religion is out of government. (0+ / 0-)

      The reality is that organized religion has marginalized itself by trying to insinuate itself into government.  True, it has always been there to an extent - until people became enlightened to the differences in cultures and belief systems, most of us were unaware that the "basic religious tenents" were actually the beliefs of the majority but not of everyone.  As such, when these tenents were expressed in governmental facilities, they constituted establishment of religion in violation of the first amendment.  As we became aware of these violations, generally by no-brainer Supreme Court decisions on cases brought by people who resented having someone else's beliefs forced on them, these expressions were removed from the public arena.  I don't know why these Tea-party fundamentalists find the establishment clause of the First Amendment so difficult to grasp.  This clause was so important to the drafters of the US Constitution that it is the first clause of the First Amendment:  "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...", before the "free exercise" clause.

    •  Liberalism (0+ / 0-)

      The victor, I'll lend my support to Kevin, it sure can not hurt.

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