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    JeffW, ChemBob

    One could make a case that what the USN did in 1944 & 1945 shows the carriers peaking,there was no way that invading all those Central Pacific Islands,Iwo Jima,Okinawa or Lyete was going to happen without mobile airbases.

    •  IJN lost 6 of 10 carriers in 1st 10 months (0+ / 0-)

      We showed up at the Gilbert Islands in late 43 with 6 Fleet, 7 fast fleet & 8 Escort carriers. Your point is well taken and entirely accurate. But....

      But the age of carrier vs carrier was already over by Guadalcanal.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 04:43:50 PM PDT

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      •  Turkey Shoot??? (3+ / 0-)
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        Roger Fox, JeffW, PrahaPartizan

        Anyways my point wasn't carrier versus carrier but the fact that we needed the power projection capability carriers gave us to prosecute the war to Japan's door step. Now MacArthur did leap frog along New Guinea's north coast to reach Morotai in Indonesia just before Lyete but even at that he the 7th Fleet with attached CVE's but for the Hollandia operation he still needed the Main USN CV fleet to cover the landings.

          We still need this power projection asset today

        •  I dont count the Turkey Shoot (0+ / 0-)

          I'm sure I'm very alone it that regard.

          Our veteran pilots vs mostly real green IJN pilots.

          Coral Sea & Midway was our real green pilots vs the absolute best of the IJN. And the IJN lost about the same number of pilots in Coral Sea & Midway as the Turkey Shoot.

          I'm sure most wont see it my way, but Shattered Sword makes a similar point, by mid June 1942 IJN had lost 400 of its best pilots. By Aug. 1942 IJN lost 6 of 10 carriers, with 2 of the remaining 4 in drydock/rebuilding, all that remained was for the USN to mop up.

          I dont mean to trivialize post 1942 accomplishments, but Admiral Fletchers pilots scratched 6 flat tops in 9 months, no Admiral ever came close to that.

          .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 05:52:20 PM PDT

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          •  Get down to it... (2+ / 0-)
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            PrahaPartizan, A Siegel

             Our USN pilots were just as expierienced as the IJN ones at the start of the war. The air war over China prior to Pearl Harbor was conducted by the IJAAF not the IJN. You here so many myths about WW2 ,take the Flying Tigers, they used to be credited with mastering the Zero when in fact they never faced any Zero's, they did face IJAAF Type 1 Oscars & Ki-27's but no Zero's. They also shot down only like 119 aircraft during their existence to 15 losses,but for years they CLAIMED 300 kills but after analylizing enemy records post war the ratio ended up at 119 kills to 15 losses.

              You commented earlier about IJN pilot losses at Midway but in actuality ,a lot of their pilots were rescued at Midway but boy did they looses a lot of their maintenance personnel . The Solomon's Campaign is what really killed off their pilot skill. However the 202nd Kentai flying from Timor against Darwin,Australia in early to mid-1943 showed the Japanese skill just didn't end at Midway.

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