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  •  I agree that it is unforgiveable (3.96)
    And also, while I certainly understand the psychology and mentality of "the good company man", Colin owell is a traitor to his country in my book. He placed his allegiance to one man -- and that so-called honor or service to said man -- ahead of our entire country -- and the world at large.

    I have always felt that of all those complicit in the culture of perpetual lying in the Bush Whitehouse, the mone most damned is Colin Powell. Because he had a conscience to begin with, and because he knows first-hand the horrors of war, and the weight of responsibility carried in committing our sons and daughters to war -- unlike the chickenhawks who have been running that operation since Poppy was ousted from office with Clinton's election.

    Let there never be tears shed for poor Colin Powell. Let him never be rehabilitated in the eyes of the discerning. That man, reportedly, threw a stack of papers on the floor stating something to the effect "This is bullshit!" regarding the so-called evidence he was to cite in making the Admin's case to the UN. That he KNEW better, and yet chose to lie to the United Nations, so as to help grease the wheel for Bush's illegal war and maintain his own personal "honor" as being "in service to the President of the United States", knowing full well the consequences of what would happen, knowing full well we were sending into Iraq an understaffed number of soldiers into guerilla combat, is as immoral as the acts of any of those serial-liars.

    Harry Belafonte was right when he labeled Powell the milk that gets pulled out the refrigerator when convenient, then stuffed back in. I have zero respect for Colin Powell. I place no value on his alleged conundrum of who does he serve: The country or the President. And if there ever were war crimes tribunals -- and we know there won't be -- I would place him squarely in the same lineup as Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and the rest of them. What he did was akin tro premeditated murder of US armed forces.

    Yet for many today, he always gets a break, quaintly referred to as the soldier's soldier, the company man, etc. And now that he's out of that shithole of a Whitehouse, how dare anyone try to rehabilitate him, or let him loose from the criminality of his actions.

    Tenet -- fair enough. He screwed up and I believe most of us feel that had the 1001 lapses in pre-9/11 intelligence not taken place, we would have subverted that plot and it never would have come off -- and least not with that degree of fatality and precision.  So fair enough, I agree he should never be forgiven. OTHER TOO, but that doesn't release him from the responsibility he bears. Yes, I happy he is implicating BushCo now -- and maybe he's atoning for his sins -- or trying to -- as well as rehabiliate his legacy.

    But as much as I despise the BushCo principals, I cannot and will not ever bestow upon Colin Powell any sense of sympathy, or understanding, or forgiveness.

    He could have set it all right. He could have done the moral thing, the REAL honorable thing -- especially if he really gives a rat's ass about the grunts on the ground. He didn't even quietly resign. He went and lied to us and to the United Nations -- andhe continues to lie to this day.

    May he rot in hell with the rest of them, that lying bastard.

    •  Powell (3.80)
      He's 'Always' been a Question Mark for Many starting with us Vietnam Vets, i.e. Jr. Staff Officer connections to Mylai attempted cover-up?
    •  i think powell leaked (3.00)
      about the leak and was outed... his testimony to the Grand Jury may come out to be the straw that broke the traitors back.

      Jesus: "Destroy this temple" - Gospel of John

      by The Gnostic on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 06:44:51 AM PDT

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      •  seriously doubt it (3.66)
        Powell can explain his side of the story regarding the Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium to the grand jury, but he was too removed from the insider group in the WH to know who leaked what to whom. That was a WH operation and Powell should have been smart enough to keep some distance.

        However, to this date he still points the finger at the intelligence as the reason he supported going to war with Iraq. Perhaps that's a very subtle (insider) way to point the finger at Cheney.

        Regarding Tenet, well that's a very much more complex case. Does Tenet know who his real friends are anymore? Tenet got a book deal from Crown Books for $5 million, but he will take his time to write it. Is there a higher bid to keep him silent? Or he is just waiting for Fitzgerald to finish his job?

    •  I concur (4.00)
      Several years ago when I first read that Powell was the US Army Major that was officially dispatched to investigate the My Lai Massacre and his report served as the basis for the initial coverup of that atrocity, I wrote him off as a man who has a warped integrity. In his view of the world, one's primary responsibility is loyalty to one's boss. It's his fatal flaw.

      It's a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions. Perhaps, like the tremendously powerful modern opera "Nixon in China", someone will compose one for Powell. And who will be his Iago? Rove?

      "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

      by Glinda on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 07:04:10 AM PDT

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      •  Iago not Rove (3.00)
        Rumsfeld
      •  Excellent. (4.00)
        I'm wondering, though -- with misplaced loyalty being his fatal flaw, might the most relevant tragedy be King Lear ? Then the question is, "Who would be his Cordelia?"

        The Democratic Party?

        "You have to accept whatever comes and the only important thing is that you meet it with courage and with the best you have to give." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

        by marylrgn on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 08:12:16 AM PDT

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        •  Hmm ... but he's not a 'king' in this ... (4.00)
          He's not the top guy. Like Othello, he's a military hero known for his military knowledge and skills. There is also the obvious fact: he is a black man who has tremendous respect and power in a white society and earned that respect because of those skills.

          Yes, his downfall is not his insecurities and jealousies. But there is the element of someone feeding him bad information on purpose to feed his flaw and bring his downfall, the Iago of the piece.

          This is a new tragedy, one that doesn't fit perfectly into any single Shakespearean play. It does seem a combo of Othello and Lear. If Shakespeare were alive he'd definitely write it.

          We need our own Shakespeare ... I always thought of him as the "historical conscience" of England and later GB. It's time the US gets one of its own ... although Tony Kushner comes damned close!

          "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

          by Glinda on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 03:40:08 PM PDT

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          •  Fascinating, Glinda (4.00)
            Yes, his downfall is not his insecurities and jealousies. But there is the element of someone feeding him bad information on purpose to feed his flaw and bring his downfall, the Iago of the piece.

            This is a new tragedy, one that doesn't fit perfectly into any single Shakespearean play. It does seem a combo of Othello and Lear. If Shakespeare were alive he'd definitely write it.

            We need our own Shakespeare ... I always thought of him as the "historical conscience" of England and later GB. It's time the US gets one of its own.

            I love to see this kind of multi-dimensional thinking and analysis from this diverse community. It's really great to have this community, that's allI can say.

          •  Glinda... (none)
            You're Good!

            If we do not maintain Justice, Justice will not maintain us. -Sir Francis Bacon.

            by Res Ipsa Loquitor on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 10:08:52 PM PDT

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    •  Powell is (none)
      just another Carlyle advisor doing his little bit for the company... That is why they get the big bucks.

      IWT
      Independent World Television

      by m16eib on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 09:07:36 AM PDT

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    •  Uncle Tom (3.50)
      rhfactor: your passion is compelling and for the most part I agree with you re: Mr. Powell.

      however, as always we must look into the nature and context of things, particularly in the political arena.

      I guarantee you Mr. Powell has higher political aspirations and that is why he divorced himself months ago from BushCo. but he did his "duty" for the Masters of the military/industrial complex and oil corporations before doing so-- i.e. he sold out and put on that pathetic WMD dog and pony show before the UN Security Council. remember when he saw the script prior? the story is he threw it into the air and called it bullshit. but yet he went and attempted to sell it to the world anyway. WHY?

      why? because he wants to be the first "black" president of the United States, that's why. and in order to do that he needs the $400-$500 million campaign warchest that comes from the masters of the military-industrial and oil corporations.

      soon the next presidential election cycle will begin and given the military failure of BushCo in Iraq and Afghanistan, don't be surprised if Powell comes out swinging.. criticising BushCo, stating "I as a military man warned them not to go to Iraq". the voters will gleefully suck it all up, "hey, here's our beloved soldier Colin Powell finally telling us the truth about the quagmire Iraq"! "Yes, Colin please get us the Hell out of Iraq"!

      but of course Colin will say nothing about his Masters, the ones putting the money up for him to run.

      •  Inappropriate title but insightful comment, imo. (none)
        •  Clue: (none)
          The Random House Dictionary, the 1987 edition, gives a more detailed definition; "Uncle Tom, disparaging and offensive. a black man considered by other blacks to be subservient to or to curry favor with whites."

          you're implying Powell, in order to run for President or Vice President in 2008 does not need to curry the favor of those holding the $400 million dollar campaign purse strings of the repuglican party?

          gimme a break.

          •  No, you dumbass (none)
            It just has nothing to do with him being black. Sucking the dicks of the military-industrial complex for campaign cash is a time-honored tradition of generations of Washington power brokers and wannabees, black, white, yellow or purple. Criticize Powell for being yet another Washington thug-pimp who plays the game, but leave the racist shit for your kitchen table, will ya? Your comment was fucking out of line and you know it.

            I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

            by Volvo Liberal on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 04:04:16 PM PDT

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            •  Well, Well, Well!! (none)
              here we are again with a SO CALLED liberal taking his frustration out on totally the wrong person. looks and smells like clownservative behavior to me.. heh heh.. thus I'm totally not shocked with your attack.

              but at least it appears you're ready to admit that when it comes to "sucking the dicks" of the corporate masters, democratic polticians are just as adept and eager.. agreed? if I can get just one so called liberal here or anywhere to admit that fact, we may be getting somewhere.

              no apology offered for the Uncle Tom bit; if it's good enough for the "liberal" Harry Belafonte it's good enough for me.

              •  Collin Powell (none)
                is a Republican if that's who you were talking about. I agree that Democrats are often on the take just like Republicans.  I just happen to prefer politicians on the take from Unions and Civil Rights Lawyers than from Weapons contractors and oil companies. That way we get high paying jobs and freedom instead of War and global warming.
      •  Hate the title ... (3.66)
        loved the comment.

        It fits in nicely with my Othello analogy. The military hero felled by his ambitions.

        "You don't lead by pointing and telling people some place to go. You lead by going to that place and making a case." - Ken Kesey

        by Glinda on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 03:53:17 PM PDT

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    •  Right on (4.00)
      Your comments about Powell are spot on. During the well orchestrated run up to the Iraq war he could have taken the wind out of Bushco's sails by refusing to participate and resigning as SecState. But it was too much for Powell. He proved to be nothing more than Bush's poodle and apologist to the world.

      I'll never again respect anything that guy has to say.

      Democracy was getting old anyway

      by Agent of Fortune on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 10:56:56 AM PDT

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    •  Colin Powell (4.00)
      "He went and lied to us and to the United Nations -- and he continues to lie to this day."

      Any respect I had left for Colin Powell was lost when he appeared on The Daily Show. He took the same line as Bush and Blair at their joint press conference. He's a liar just like the rest of them.

      Daily Show Transcript

      Stewart: The Downing Street memo this, uh...

      Powell: The Downing Street memo. What did he do at the time the Downing Street memo was being written and presented to Prime Minister Blair? President Bush and I and my other colleagues were in discussions about how to take it to the UN in Sepetember of that year. And so we took the problem to the UN, because the UN, the international community was the offended party. Their resolutions that were not being obeyed over a 12-year period. So there were differences of opinion within the administration as to how long one should wait, what should be the events that say this is enough, we can't take any more. War could have been avoided if the international community, I think, had held firm with Saddam Hussein and insisted that he meet the requirements of that first UN resolution. Give a full, fair and honest disclosure...

      Stewart: And you felt that having the inspectors in there didn't meet the...

      Powell: We didn't think it was meeting the test. And ultimately the president decided, "We are about to lose this....because we'll go through another year, another resolution, the UN will go away for the summer and come back in the fall, the problem will still be there, Saddam Hussein will be free of sanctions."

      Stewart: And you felt that the urgency was so great -

      Powell: Everything we were being told by the intelligence community -

      Stewart: Right.

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