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  •  "this admin, a corporate takeover" (4.00)
    Beautifully put.

    Re a call for Conyers to relieve Queen Pelosi from her pink linen dress throne, I'd gladly support that. I'm in her district in SF, and trust me, there are people asking the question "Can we find a viable candidate to run against her?". Not that it will happen, or that said person would raise enough money to overthrow Ms. Pacific Heights Shopping Pseudo Liberal. But I'd love to see her doe-eyed empty stare when somebody challenges her heiness.

    Same goes for Feinstein. But I digress...

    •  Still trying to get the wording right (4.00)
      But it all starts with the PNAC's War mongering foreign policy and Norquist's infamous quote about "drowning the federal gov't in a bathtub" as the Neo-Con's primary domestic policy.  

      I'm trying to come up with a talking point along the lines of:

      Neo-Cons, Enemies of the State.

      It's hard to do without sounding tinfoil, but let's face it, if we can prove "espionage" AFTER they came to power, is there any doubt they were engaged in espionage BEFORE they came to power?  Lawrence Franklin, Feith's underling is another example, with his leaks to AIPAC.  

      Krugman was the first to call them "A revolutionary Power" in his intro to the Great Unraveling.  Can we carry this further?

      We need to drive a wedge between the Neo-Cons and the traditional Republicans.  We need to associate support of the administration as support of "revolution", if not "treason".

      How can we moderate these ideas?  How can we spin this without sounding shrill?  I think it's better than the fascist meme or nazi meme but it let's us bring up many of the same points.

      ---- Take a pill or talk?----

      by apotropaic on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 08:55:24 AM PDT

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      •  Enemies of the People (none)
        Enemies of the People.

        Make it personal!

        They've already poisoned Americans' minds about "the State."

      •  consider posting at Demspeak.com (none)
        There are some pretty good analysts and messaging framers. worth a try. You're for sure 'struggling' in the right direction.

        http://www.Demspeak.com

        •  Thanks (none)
          For the advice and the encouragement.

          I'm having a difficult time convincing myself it isn't counterproductive to move in this direction.  It's easy to doubt your own ideas.

          I'd really like to see some public movement in this direction.  The right is already bringing up "treason" statements from "liberals" and using it as an opportunity to ridicule it.  I'm afraid it already may be neutralized or will be soon.

          Need to moderate it.

          ---- Take a pill or talk?----

          by apotropaic on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 09:51:43 AM PDT

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          •  You would be welcome .... (none)
            ... to come on over to DEMSPEAK

            We're a sort of writing lab, think-tank, analysis kind of bunch.

            There's not a lot of ego there, we tend to all root for the project rather than protect our individual input.  

            Basically we like to chew on words, images, problems, perspectives.

            If you want to drop in with this one, we'd be glad to be a fresh sounding board.

            fwiw -- it feels like you're getting close to where you want to be with this.

            Let me know if we can help.

            Best,

            Nance

            Nancy Virginia Varian, Editorial Director DemSpeak http://www.demspeak.com

            by Nancy Varian on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:10:21 AM PDT

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      •  Tax issues not Neo-Con stuff (4.00)
        To the best of my understanding, the Neo-Conservatives (at least the PNAC faction) aren't involved at all in the Grover Norquist "starve the beast", "no taxes for the wealthy" domestic movement. Their agenda is a geo-political agenda.

        There is a confluence of interests in the current BushCo version of the GOP which pulls together the disparate strands of geo-political idealogues, corporatists and economic elitists, and religious fundamentalist theocrats. An unholy alliance, but not all of them are on the same page.

        Of course there are also a good number of old-fashioned Main Street Republicans (who may be sympathetic to zero or more of the above causes) who are still trying to figure out how to get back control of this mess and steer it back to responsibility and sanity.

        "They may agree that failure isn't an option, but this does not mean they will necessarily avoid it." - David Manning re: BushCo in DSM

        by DavidW in SF on Sun Jul 10, 2005 at 09:52:44 AM PDT

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