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  •  Nvm; I read the story wrong. (1+ / 0-)
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    I didn't get that the alleged signatories were from the Russian-backed secessionist regime the first time I read it.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 06:06:26 PM PDT

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      There are certainly different voices in the Kyiv government putting their own spin on events. That's why I distrust any report or link that is along the lines "x is reporting that Y is saying that z thinks" which is one of the formulas members here are all too well aware is the way in which lies are given substance.

      There are a few news organizations that are generally considered reliable, notably the BBC (with the World Service version lacking the sometimes Anglocentric coverage in its domestic only bulletins) and Al Jazeera which is pretty impartial even if its coverage of the Persian Gulf area has to be treated with caution at times. The satellite channel Euronews is a good tool as it carries reports from national broadcasters throughout the continent which gives its own balance - it also broadcasts the "raw" footage without commentary.

      At the other end of the spectrum we have the North Korean eccentricities, CCTV and RT. (To be fair to the Chinese broadcaster, that is possibly not the correct order).

      "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

      by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 08:36:09 PM PDT

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        •  Proof? (1+ / 0-)
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          You really do not know about the situation do you? I will remind you that the phrase "dodgy dossier" to describe the Blair governments document to support the war originated by a reporter on the flagship BBC Radio 4's Today programme. Perhaps if you stopped trawling the Russian media for anti-American titbits you might actually watch RT.

          BTW, is it a peculiarly American trait to not understand English irregular verbs? The past tense of "lead" is "led".  Maybe our tame lexicographer can do a diary on that one weekend.

          "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

          by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Apr 16, 2014 at 09:46:55 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not going to go back and give you a transcript (4+ / 0-)

            of the daily news reports on BBC. I'm sure you've read Ian Sinclair and John Pilger as well as the studies by the Cardiff University’s School of Journalism and Media Tenor.

            I will remind you that the phrase "dodgy dossier" to describe the Blair governments document to support the war originated by a reporter on the flagship BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
            The term originally came from Spiked.
            http://www.spiked-online.com/...
            Blair's dodgy dossier
            24 September 2002
            Britain's evidence of an Iraqi threat is as weak as the opposition to war.
            by Brendan O'Neill
            ...
            The dossier is full of speculation, rhetoric and rehashed allegations
            Yet by the time the Bush administration published A Decade of Deception and Defiance (its allegations against Saddam) on 12 September 2002, all claims of a bin Laden/Saddam love-in had disappeared - and there was just one page on Iraq's alleged support for terrorism (8). It seems that some claims are just too insubstantial, even for Bush's and Blair's dodgy dossiers.
            ...
            BTW, is it a peculiarly American trait to not understand English irregular verbs? The past tense of "lead" is "led".  Maybe our tame lexicographer can do a diary on that one weekend.
            Style over substance.....

            I could take you to task for using "Tartar", as in tartar sauce or tartar buildup, instead of the common Tatar to describe the people.

            •  Late night (2+ / 0-)
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              joe from Lowell, sviscusi

              The phrase I was misremembering was in fact the statement that the Government has "sexed up" the dossier in relation to Dr Kelly's assessment of it. My excuse is late the lateness of the hour (you will see that I also miswrote Danegelt for Danelaw)

              As for your laughable claim that the BBC supported the Blair government: from Wiki

              The controversy over the Iraq Dossier was mentioned frequently in the government's conflict with the BBC over the claim in the September Dossier that Iraq could deploy biological weapons within 45 minutes of an order to do so, and the controversy surrounding the death of Dr. David Kelly. Andrew Gilligan, the BBC journalist who wrote a report which claimed that the September Dossier had been deliberately exaggerated, stated before the Hutton Inquiry that recalling the February Dossier had led him to file his report based on his interview with Dr. Kelly without seeking confirmation from other sources. Whether or not the September Dossier was inconsistent with the original intelligence, it was altered in ways that made it inconsistent with itself
              In fact the BBC's exposing of Blair's lies led directly to a conflict between his government and the BBC which was about the most sustained attack on the Corporation since the General Strike. The focus of it was the setting up of the Hutton Inquiry in advance of the renewal of the BBC's Charter.
              The government was today (September 10, 3003) warned not to use the BBC's forthcoming charter renewal process as an opportunity to "pay back" the corporation in the wake of the Iraq dossier row or as "pay-off time" for its commercial rivals.

              Broadcasting minister Lord McIntosh was today forced to again insist that its review of the BBC's royal charter, due for renewal in 2006, would not be affected by the ongoing Hutton inquiry after the row blew up again in the House of Lords today.

              "Tartar" is one of two alternative spellings given by the definitive OED. The sauce is spelt "Tartare" which rather blows your jibe out of the water.

              "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

              by Lib Dem FoP on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 04:09:31 AM PDT

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              •  The problems with the BBC stem from it's (1+ / 0-)
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                management NOT it's reporters. I'm not saying it never reported on the Iraq war. What it did was under-report and minimize. It called the Iraq War a "Peacekeeping Mission" under the rubric that this was the UK government's official name.

                The BBC And Iraq: Myth and Reality
                by John Pilger
                December 5, 2003
                Greg Dyke, the BBC’s director general, has attacked American television reporting of Iraq. "For any news organisation to act as a cheerleader for government is to undermine your credibility," he said. "They should be... balancing their coverage, not banging the drum for one side or the other." He said research showed that, of 840 experts interviewed on American news programmes during the invasion of Iraq, only four opposed the war. "If that were true in Britain, the BBC would have failed in its duty."

                Did Dyke say all this with a straight face? Let’s look at what research shows about the BBC’s reporting of Iraq. Media Tenor, the non-partisan, Bonn-based media research organisation, has examined the Iraq war reporting of some of the world’s leading broadcasters, including the US networks and the BBC. It concentrated on the coverage of opposition to the war.

                "Tartar" is one of two alternative spellings given by the definitive OED.
                That form has mainly been used by some in the west to describe the Tatars as a hoard of Mongols raping and pillaging.

                The people call themselves Tatars so you should also.

                http://attasf.org/
                http://crimeantatarlibrary.blogspot.ca/
                http://www.iccrimea.org/...

                The sauce is spelt "Tartare" which rather blows your jibe out of the water.
                Reread your definition of "tartare"
                adjective
                [postpositive]

                    (Of fish) served raw, typically seasoned and shaped into small cakes: light dishes such as salmon tartare See also steak tartare.

                •  Give up (0+ / 0-)

                  I intend to have no further truck with somebody who is so uncritical (I will not call you an apologist as some have for fear of hurting your feelings again) of somebody who claims "THE RIGHT" to invade another country at will as Putin did today.

                  "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

                  by Lib Dem FoP on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 09:08:42 AM PDT

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                  •  I have never claimed that. All I do is report the (0+ / 0-)

                    actualities of what is occurring.

                    The hypocrisy of the Obama administration has been breathtaking when warning Putin to stop interfering in the Ukraine. There is no other country in the world that can even come close to the US when it comes to intervening in the politics and economies of sovereign nations. The NED has funded 65 Ukrainian NGO's just last year for amounts ranging from $20,000 to $271,000. The amount since 1991 is $50,000,000,000. That amounts to 500 4'x4'x4' pallets stacked with $100 bills. As you know, money buys influence. In this case, in a twist of fate, it effectively bought Crimea for Russia.

                    The Russians have vested interests in the Ukraine, historical, commercial and ethnic, some of which go back centuries.

                    The only interest the US has is expanding NATO into the region on the backbone of the EU. The Ukraine is their last substantial chess piece in the European theater. We are now seeing them expanding into Africa as well as increased interest in the Pacific region.

                    NATO is the police force for the protection and expansion of free market capitalism. It was conceived for this purpose and remains so today. The problem with unfettered capitalism is that it requires geometric expansion for it's viability.

                    If a corporation does not increase it's bottom line or a country it's GDP, then they are classed as failures. It's all powered with cheap energy. Carbon sourced energy would be cheap at triple the current price if you take into consideration the externalities.

                    Have a good day.

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