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  •  For fucks' sake, the exchanges have been open (17+ / 0-)

    ...for 6 months and have already reduced that number from
     around 48 million to to that 35 million.

    And it could have easily dropped another 4-5 million if the bastards in 24 states had expanded Medicaid.

    Patience.

    •  Patience. Okay. (0+ / 0-)

      I live in a country where they insured 100% of poplation 40 years ago. "Paitence"? Okay, I guess. Reality is reality, but the cheering about this grates from my angle, alright?

      •  I cheered when the Burmese junta bowed out (5+ / 0-)

        and allowed elections again, even though there is still racial violence in Myanmar. I will cheer when North Korea dissolves and the two Koreas unify, even though there will be horrendous economic and humanitarian problems to solve. I can give you a list of nearly 200 other countries that I have cheered over, or expect to some day, even though it is only for partial solutions.

        I cheered over the gains of the 1960s in the US, and lamented the disasters, and have continued to do so ever since.

        Canada did not go through a monstrous Civil War and then Jim Crow and the filibuster and the Southern Strategy of denying any rights and any government services on the basis of race, gender, poverty, religion, national origin, and any other invidious distinction that came handy, and now Tea Partyism. Cut us some slack. We are presently only able to convert a few million of their children and grandchildren each year. We need to shift the population by about another 10% in order to reach a definitive tipping point on these social issues, and that will still leave us with the 1% to take on.

        How is Prime Minister Harper these days? Is it safe to ask?

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 07:13:25 PM PDT

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        •  The UK almost got blown into a million pieces (0+ / 0-)

          just a few years before going to 100% coverage. Honestly - they were still a smoking wreck when they did it. We cannot keep making excuses like that.

          P.S. Oy oy oy...

          •  And how long did it take the UK to get there? (1+ / 0-)
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            •  What do you mean? They got there 70 years ago. (0+ / 0-)

              Are you actually trying to measure this on a different basis than simple dates? We are almost 70 years behind the UK. 40 and 50 years for a bunch of other modern nations.

              •  Duration of Process (5+ / 0-)

                Not sure what you mean by "we":

                I live in a country where they insured 100% of poplation 40 years ago.
                You're complaining about people celebrating success on a process that, in the US, has just begun. It should have begun many years ago, but it didn't.

                Would you prefer no success? Because that's exactly what occurred here before ACA was passed.

                I voted for single payer when it was on the ballot in CA in the 1990s - I was one of less than 30% of the state's voters.

                •  It began in the 1930s! Holy crap! (0+ / 0-)

                  It actually began way before that, but got it's first big push under FDR, then again in the 1960s.

                  History:

                  http://www.jpost.com/...

                •  We used up the reserve of progressivism (3+ / 0-)
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                  that we had in the 1960s on the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, Medicare for retirees, and Medicaid. LBJ lamented that doing so was going to give the South to the Republicans for a generation. It has turned out to be two.

                  The overt segregationists are mostly but by no means totally gone, and some have been emboldened to poke their heads out again in politics. Covert Dog Whistle racism is still here in strength, along with the bigotry, misogyny, and Mammonism of much of the South, racist blue-collar workers in the North, the Bible belt and Book of Mormon belt, and the widely-distributed enclaves of White privilege and class privilege.

                  We now have clear majorities among the public, but not in the political, pundit, and funding classes, for the full Progressive platform on inequality, prejudice and oppression, guns, immigration, Marriage Equality and other LGBT rights, and much more.

                  Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                  by Mokurai on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 08:03:47 PM PDT

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          •  There were four Jews sitting on a park bench (1+ / 0-)
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            Where doesn't matter; when doesn't matter.

            The first said, "Nu."

            The second said, "Oy."

            The third said, "Oy, veh iz mir."

            The fourth Jew stood up in a fury, saying, "If you people can't talk about anything but politics, I'm leaving."

            Similarly,

            On one occasion the head of the Rothschild banking family came over from Paris to London, and closeted himself with Prime Minister Disraeli for hours. When they emerged, the press was all agog to know what they had been talking about for so long.

            "Tsuris, of course," came the prompt reply.

            (For non-Jews, tsuris in Yiddish is generally any sort of trouble or pains taken to accomplish a task. Here it is the anti-Semitic troubles directed at Jews anywhere and everywhere, such as l'affaire Dreyfus.)

            Benjamin Disraeli's father had converted to Christianity when Benjamin was a child. Benjamin nevertheless faced severe anti-Semitism in British society.

            There was also an English Baron Rothschild whose brother had been elected to Parliament and refused his seat for being a Jew. Disraeli stood by him and eventually got him admitted.

            Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

            by Mokurai on Thu Apr 17, 2014 at 07:49:53 PM PDT

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          •  Umm...the incident that almost cost Britain (1+ / 0-)
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            its freedom (WWII) was the primary reason why the NHS was implemented

          •  They also spent much of WWII (0+ / 0-)

            building and equipping countless hospitals and clinics all over the country to cope wit the regular and then the added numbers from evacuating London. They got a big head start thanks to the war.

            They also had places for demobilized doctors who weren't wed to where they have been.

            The American bloody minded quest for profit and high income also complicates things. Most hospitals are privately owned and "profit" minded whether for profit or not. And under the Constitution would have to be bought and paid for to have anything like the British system.

            I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

            by samddobermann on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 07:48:09 AM PDT

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      •  It took nearly 40 years to do it (0+ / 0-)

        Give us time.

        In the first province it was started all the doctors quit and planned to leave town. They quickly decided that maybe they could live with it though I heard a few went to the states for a while.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 07:27:14 AM PDT

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