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  •  I part ways with my ACLU friends (9+ / 0-)

    on First Amendment protection for hate sites like this.

    I wish we could join much of the rest of the world in having hate-speech laws.

    "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition." Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon

    by Denise Oliver Velez on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 02:50:06 AM PDT

    •  I Disagree (13+ / 0-)

      The websites should be left in place, and the FBI needs to DO THEIR JOB: surveill the jerks frequenting the sites, get search warrants, find out who has illegal weapons; fine them and jail them.

      if they want to cry foul and say they are being "discriminated against", then let them prove this in court. good luck going up against the SPLC lawyers.

      "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

      by Superpole on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 03:48:34 AM PDT

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    •  The SPLC has had success in suing racist leaders (9+ / 0-)

      on behalf of the victims of violence that the leaders have incited.
         It would be a big mistake for the US to wander off into penalizing speech and "thought crimes."

    •  I don't know how I feel about that... (2+ / 0-)
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      liberaldad2, Be Skeptical

      ...and by that I mean to say that I go back and forth on the issue, not that I think you are wrong or that the question is unimportant.

      In Germany, a pretty strong case can be made that the utter destruction of the country under the Nazis justifies making Nazi propaganda illegal.  Of course, the genocidal legacy of the slave trade was no less harmful to its victims. On the other hand, I can also see some value in allowing those sorts of beliefs to air themselves to the public derision they so deserve, particularly if doing so allows people to make the connection between a past they want to avoid and the current extreme opinion.

      I guess that most hate speech laws are retroactive against particularly grim histories - nazis, KKK, etc.  I become more sympathetic to hate speech limits when they are more directly proactive against emerging threats. The nexus between speech and violence is key for me... it's a question of where on the continuum one draws the line, from  creating an environment in which violence is praised to directly participating in the planning of an act of violence. I think we should probably make it easier to bring civil or criminal action against those who knowingly create the circumstances for murder, but not go so far as to ban membership in specific organizations.

      It may be that on hate speech, as on guns, that we're going to have to put up with slightly looser laws than the rest of the industrialized world.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Fri Apr 18, 2014 at 08:08:00 AM PDT

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