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  •  NOBODY is calling for war against Russia (6+ / 0-)

    not here, nor anywhere else.

    •  Not at the moment at least. (5+ / 0-)

      We're still settling down from the warmongering about Iran.  

      Give it a couple of months.

      Weren't there more than just a few people on this site saying that we needed to send troops to Ukraine?  Am I misremembering something?  And wasn't that in March?

      Maybe give it a couple of weeks instead.

      The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

      by dfarrah on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 11:38:24 AM PDT

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    •  Just sanctions, (2+ / 0-)
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      and war games near Russia's borders, aid to its opponents and Naval maneuvers off its coast.

      The US  would never perceive these acts as an act of war were the roles reversed, right?

      More neocon BS!

      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

      by mosesfreeman on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:01:07 PM PDT

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      •  Please, no more Putin propaganda. (3+ / 0-)

        What would you think about what Russia is doing? Sending covert militants into Ukraine? Massing troops on the border? Issuing various threats?

        Russia is the neocon here.

        •  What do you think about American "Diplomats" (3+ / 0-)
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          caught plotting an overthrow of Ukraine's government and publicly encouraging said overthrow?

          As I recall, things were fine until.. suddenly.. oh look! Regime Change!  And down goes a Democratically elected government.. what a lucky lucky day for the American Empire.

          And Russia dared to react? How very un-Democratic of them.

          The 1% are Purists: They only support Candidates that Deliver Results They Can Bank On. Don't they know they should compromise? /sarcasm

          by Johnathan Ivan on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 02:50:19 PM PDT

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          •  Democratically elected government (2+ / 0-)
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            Which murdered its own people, jailed its opponents, and was subservient to a powerful bully.

            But no, somehow I am to believe that the U.S. did all of this, that thousands of Americans pretending to be Ukrainians swarmed in, seized government buildings, raised the American flag everywhere. And Russia is just a bystander.

            Yeah right. I don't see how anyone can believe the pro-Putin propaganda anymore.

            •  Yeah well, that excuse pretty much applies to any (0+ / 0-)

              country we want, right?

              Except when it's the Shah of Iran.
              Or Saddam of Iraq.
              Or General Pinochet of Chile.
              Or Afghanistan in the 80's.
              Or Ghadaffi's Libya.
              Or Baby Doc.
              Or the Contras.
              Or the Taliban in the 90's.
              Or any number of other countries where the U.S. has actively put into power, propped up, or defended brutal dictators, generals, and other "heads of state".

              Hey, how's our good friends in the House of Saud doing these days?  Still jailing their opponents, murdering their own people?

              Funny, that.  So no, I am not moved by the broken-record excuse of "bad man in charge, U.S. needs to take over".

              In fact, I rather recoil when I see the Mighty Empire, drenched in blood, reaching forth a greedy hand to take yet another Geopolitical Piece on the Board, shedding crocodile tears of how bad that country's government is.

              The 1% are Purists: They only support Candidates that Deliver Results They Can Bank On. Don't they know they should compromise? /sarcasm

              by Johnathan Ivan on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 04:33:31 PM PDT

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              •  Who cares about that? (3+ / 0-)
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                Do some questionable US activities in the past legitimize Putin's aggression towards Ukraine? No they don't. I don't think the people of Ukraine think that "it's fine for Russia to invade us because the U.S. maybe did something bad too".

                •  Isn't it odd.. that we weren't talking about Putin (1+ / 0-)
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                  until after the fall of the Ukranian government?

                  A fall which our "Diplomats" - one of whom is married to a Neocon - helped encourage and plotted who would be in power next?

                  Gee, you don't suppose the U.S. was doing anything else over there other than verbal encouragement, do ya?  Heavens no!  Not with America's Freedom Loving Track Record.

                  Nope.  Doesn't matter.

                  Putin bad.

                  Obama / D = Good.

                  Besides, I hear several corps have some interesting ideas on investment for Ukraine.  Aside from those wonderful Austerity policies - er I mean "aid" - that we're "giving" Ukraine.  For having sided with the West.

                  After their government was deposed.

                  Because.. Freedom & Democracy.  And there's a Democrat in office.

                  Not like the bad ol' days when Bush claimed to care about the Iraqi people when he invaded.  WMD.  Saddam killed his own people!  Oh no - Bush was full of all sorts of lies.  

                  But now it's a Democrat doing it.  So it must be all good.

                  I get it.  Brand Loyalty.  No matter what.

                  The 1% are Purists: They only support Candidates that Deliver Results They Can Bank On. Don't they know they should compromise? /sarcasm

                  by Johnathan Ivan on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 05:08:42 PM PDT

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                  •  We were talking about Russia's involvement before. (1+ / 0-)
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                    Lawrence

                    Reminder how the crisis started: Ukraine was planning to sign off to the association agreement with the EU, until Russia pressured Yanukovych into forgoing it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

                    During the 3 months of sometimes violent protests, Russia's hand was visible 24/7, especially when "aid" was given on the (secret) condition of cracking down on protesters: http://www.nytimes.com/...

                    And as to the brand loyalty, I have serious doubts as to how the Obama administration handled the crisis (and relations with Russia in general). So yes, I am critical towards Democrats as well.

          •  Still carrying water for Putin's neo-totalitarian (2+ / 0-)
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            jiffypop, happymisanthropy

            Russia, ey Jonathan?

            A corrupt, kleptocratic billionaire President fled the country.

            The Parliament was still in place and it removed him.

            Good to see that you approve of one country unilaterally deciding to invade another country, though.....

            "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

            by Lawrence on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 03:25:30 PM PDT

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            •  You want to talk about corrupt governments? (1+ / 0-)
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              mosesfreeman

              Wow.

              Nice rebuttal, by the way.  I noticed you didn't challenge any of the facts I raised.

              I wonder why?

              The 1% are Purists: They only support Candidates that Deliver Results They Can Bank On. Don't they know they should compromise? /sarcasm

              by Johnathan Ivan on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 04:39:06 PM PDT

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