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  •  I dont think Putin is like Hitler (1+ / 0-)
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    completely different motivations for roughly similar acts regarding territorial expansion.

    Hitler wanted all of Europe.  Putin wants buffer zones.

    I won't defend Putin like many seem to want to do. It's still wrong, but I think Godwin still applies.  Putin is nowhere near Hitler.

    •  Are you sure about that? (0+ / 0-)

      I have trouble seeing the difference in motivations -- former empire broken up, humiliation by Western powers. Cult of the leader prepared to take military action to reclaim glories of the past.  Brutal suppression of opposition (et tu, Pussy Riot?).

      There are always differences, of course. No two periods and no two leaders are ever the same. But, I find it hard to ignore the similarities.

      At least there is, as of yet, no genocide.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 12:44:46 PM PDT

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    •  And Putin has no more right to buffer zones (1+ / 0-)
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      than Hitler had to all of Europe.

      What do the Defend-NSAers-at-any-cost hope for society to gain from Snowden turning himself in and standing trial? I suspect it'll be a cold day in hell before any of them finally give a reasonable, coherent answer to that question.

      by happymisanthropy on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 06:33:55 PM PDT

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      •  He could have had one for free: Ukraine (3+ / 0-)
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        Had he not annexed Crimea, which was given to Ukraine by Russia in 1954, all he would have to do is wait until IMF austerity kicked in, just in time for the elections of 2015 and 2016.  

        Ukraine's neighbors to the west were not overly fond of Ukraine.  The Ukrainian SSR contained bits of Hungary and Romania;  Hungary's fascists want their bit back and are gaining power.  Poles smarted over the ethnic cleansing of Poles from Lwow/Lviv -- only recently has that wound healed.  

        Instead, Russia annexed Crimea and sent Russian nationals, both military and tourist, to grab a bunch of civic buildings in Donbass in alliance with local teahadis who miss being Soviet or fear Kiev.  Imagine how happy Americans outside the Teahad would have been to see Russia's little green men on the Bundy ranch.  

        Instead of becoming a bridge state like Yugoslavia was, Ukraine now has to choose between two masters.  On the west lie the European social democracies.  On the east, Russia.  

        "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

        by Yamaneko2 on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 08:12:02 PM PDT

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      •  not sure the relevance of that comment (0+ / 0-)

        to whether or not he's like Hitler.

        Unless you are saying everyone who ever steps outside their borders is "like Hitler."

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