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  •  Then there's consolidating a fundamental (4+ / 0-)
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    Galtisalie, Geminijen, poco, NY brit expat

    Social and political change before moving on to the next. We personally may be well past bourgeois notions of marriage, but we still need to pound as many nails as possible into the coffins of our adversaries as we progress to the next battles.

    I'm not wild about marriage, either, but many, many of my sisters and brothers want it, so I want it for them; it confers concrete benefits that our preferred models don't--yet.  But it's also a giant, legally sanctioned fuck you to one element of reaction. It may not be the victory we want most, but it's still a victory, and every victory helps.

    •  Agree its a victory which is why I support it, but (3+ / 0-)
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      MrJayTee, poco, NY brit expat

      this shouldn't stop us from looking at why so many folks in our  community made this the major issue and really analyze where we go from here to get the most progressive outcome -- we don't have to do these things as single issue but develop one thing from another.  You can't will a movement into being (objective conditions) and clearly this is a movement - but I think we really should look at why we made this specific choice as a priority and whether it really was our choice or years of conditioning, primed by plenty of government structural and monetary incentives.

      •  Did we really make a specific choice? (4+ / 0-)
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        Geminijen, poco, NY brit expat, Buckeye54

        I think marriage became the priority issue because it sits at the very heart of institutional heterosexuality, making it the biggest, juiciest, most symbolically powerful political prize. It became the priority because of its importance to them, not its importance to us.

        Whether marriage was ever really a social or personal good strikes me as a separate (however critical) issue.

        What do you think?

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