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  •  I am all but positive there elements of the... (4+ / 0-)
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    government that are beyond the Presidents reach.

    I take Obama to be a fairly honest and ethical guy and have come to believe that many of the things he promised and just let slide were because he came to find he had no control.

    For as powerful as the President is, they are still chronologically hamstrung in that 4-8 years isn't much when there are those who have power in a continues stretch for 20 years before and after a President is in office.

    We have elements of the government that have become monsters of their own rule and even a President can't do much about it at this point.

    I am not giving him a free pass by any means for I have issues with things I believe he can control, but I don't want to lay the whole burden of our corrupted system on the poor guys shoulders.

    Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 11:53:49 AM PDT

    •  wouldn't that mean that he had sold out? (5+ / 0-)
      I take Obama to be a fairly honest and ethical guy and have come to believe that many of the things he promised and just let slide were because he came to find he had no control.
      I have real problems when I read comments about Obama coming to believe that he had no control, because to me that means he sold out to stay in office.

      If what you believe should turn out to be true it would mean our democratic government had fallen and none of us even knew, that we just went along thinking voting still counted and convinced ourselves we were still in America, land of the free, home of the brave. Sometimes I already feel that way. And I want to move out of the country again.

      •  What do you mean 'none of us'? (1+ / 0-)
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        Its been this way for decades and many of us have known it.

        Most of us in this category are just happy to see the illusions of others are starting to shatter forcing them to accept the reality they have hid from themselves so well.

        I don;t want to leave the country I want to fix it....

        Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

        by fToRrEeEsSt on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 01:26:13 PM PDT

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        •  U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy (7+ / 0-)

          For some of us, "dreams die hard"

          to your point, theMomCat just posted this in another diary.

          Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy

          Asking "[w]ho really rules?" researchers Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page argue (pdf) that over the past few decades America's political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.
          Using data drawn from over 1,800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, the two conclude that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of or even against the will of the majority of voters. [..]

          The researches note that this is not a new development caused by, say, recent Supreme Court decisions allowing more money in politics, such as Citizens United or this month's ruling on McCutcheon v. FEC. As the data stretching back to the 1980s suggests, this has been a long term trend, and is therefore harder for most people to perceive, let alone reverse.

        •  I remember a hearing, (5+ / 0-)

          Back in the 80's on an Alphabet Agency overreach/screw up, and a Dem Congress critter was really asking hard questions and chewing out the BeMedalled "witness" for the evasion, non answers and obvious lies.

          I tuned into CSPAN for the next day's coverage, waiting for the Congressman to pick up where he had left off with the witness.

          When it was the Congresscritters turn, he eyed the witness with a very stern look, leaned forward into the mic, and said "thank you for your testimony,..... And thank you for your Service".

          Didn't ask a single question or make a peep over the next two weeks of "inquiry".

          Funny, Hun?

          •  Even funnier... (4+ / 0-)
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            Ronald Reagan comes into office and that day the hostages are released showing that he is so tough that the Iranians got scared and released them.

            But wait....

            Turns out he had actually negotiated (supposedly) behind the back of the government for the hostages to be held LONGER so he can win, in trade for arms.

            First how does someone do this if the system isn't already corrupted and when the truth comes out that a crime of the most audacious kind has been comitted (Iran-Contra) no outrage bigger than a minor blip was made.

            Hilarious no?

            Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

            by fToRrEeEsSt on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 01:59:11 PM PDT

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            •  Nixon did the same thing with the Vietnam peace (3+ / 0-)
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              negotiations. LBJ had an illegal phone tap on the Vietnamese embassy and got the goods on him. He offered it to Humphrey to use in the campaign but he was too chicken to do it.  

              •  Eisenhower told us to beware of the MIC... (2+ / 0-)
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                so it goes back at least that far.

                Join the DeRevolution: We are not trying to take the country, we are trying to take the country back. Get the money out of politics with public financed campaigns so 'Of the People, By the People and For the People' rings true again.

                by fToRrEeEsSt on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 02:26:00 PM PDT

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