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  •  The CIA, sure, but the FBI? (1+ / 0-)
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    Don midwest

    What would the FBI have to cover up in Gitmo?

    It was a military/CIA operation. The FBI interrogators famously walked away from the questioning of figures being subject to the Enhanced Interrogation Program.

    The FBI and CIA actions described in that story look very different to me.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 04:59:36 PM PDT

    •  Their sins don't have to have been (1+ / 0-)
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      in Gitmo. For some reason they were willing to meddle in one of the prosecutions that was taking place there. The case is likely dealing with matters that happened elsewhere.

      •  There was the Lynn Stewart case. (0+ / 0-)

        I just don't see any justification for the leap you're taking, assuming that the FBI's actions must be about covering up wrongdoing.

        At least in the case of the CIA, we have the actual, relevant wrongdoing to point to. You have to assume both the wrongdoing, and the relevance to the case, in order to get to your conclusion.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 05:10:16 PM PDT

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        •  What the FBI was doing was clearly illegal (2+ / 0-)
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          and a definite risk which has turned out to have gone sour on them. If they had been doing it for some pressing national security reason, then the whole thing would have likely been suppressed and we would have never heard of it. The whole thing reeks of naughty boys with their hands caught in the cookie jar.

          I am fairly confident that more shall be revealed.

    •  The FBI was apparently investigating (3+ / 0-)
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      The leak of  KSMs manifesto to the media, which itself is ridiculous because it was not classified, it just embarrassed various gov officials.

      If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.

      by LieparDestin on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 06:10:13 PM PDT

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      •  So, not an attempt to cover up FBI wrongdoing. (0+ / 0-)

        That makes sense - they're doing ordinary investigation.

        That's quite a bit different from the CIA pushing the button to silence the trial in order to keep information about Gitmo interrogations out of the media.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:51:44 AM PDT

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    •  Obstruction of justice, to say the least (3+ / 0-)

      Did you read this part of the diary?

      Two weeks ago, a pair of F.B.I. agents appeared unannounced at the door of a member of the defense team for one of the men accused of plotting the 9/11 terrorist attacks. As a contractor working with the defense team at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, the man was bound by the same confidentiality rules as a lawyer. But the agents wanted to talk.

      They asked questions, lawyers say, about the legal teams for Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and other accused terrorists who will eventually stand trial before a military tribunal at Guantánamo. Before they left, the agents asked the contractor to sign an agreement promising not to tell anyone about the conversation.

      With that signature, Mr. bin al-Shibh’s lawyers say, the government turned a member of their team into an F.B.I. informant.

      The F.B.I.’s inquiry became the focus of the pretrial hearings at Guantánamo this week, after the contractor disclosed it to the defense team. It was a reminder that, no matter how much the proceedings at the island military prison resemble a familiar American trial, the invisible hand of the United States government is at work there in ways unlike anything seen in typical courtrooms.

      Guess there was a reason the contractor/lawyer confessed before the trial went too far.

      So, Joe, suppose you were accused of a capital crime and the FBI infiltrated your defense team to feed back information to the prosecution. Any thoughts on that?

      No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

      by koNko on Sat Apr 19, 2014 at 08:14:22 PM PDT

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      •  What does any of this have to do with my comment? (0+ / 0-)

        Was that meant to be a reply to the observation The FBI wasn't implicated in mistreatment of prisoners at Gitmo, so it doesn't make sense to attribute their actions to an attempt to cover up their mistreatment of prisoners at Gitmo?

        Because it totally isn't. The only FBI "wrongdoing" you seem to be able to find consists of actions they took as part of the investigation, which makes it at pretty tough sell to claim that the investigation was being done to cover up their wrongdoing.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:56:51 AM PDT

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